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I did not know chess was played with cards.

Are you super elastic to get your hands back on your back and shave it properly or you left some rough spots? Keep your old vehicle and get rid of the Millenia.

That is a turn on vehicle NOS. Wished I could find one of those. I would die for them.

I like the Packard and the Caddy. Honestly 68, you are the king in researching and finding Antique vehicles. I want something with a stick shift, more modern yet rare.

Linkity It has been sitting since late November. Decreased the price by almost $5K.

Why do people then buy 2/3rds of the E classes in V-6 guise? According to your theory they should go for V-8, given more prestige, not caring about fuel economy which is not different anyways according to you. This sounds more like an excuse statement for Cadillac trying to wiggle its way out from not being competitive. Tell me how much history XLR has to justify its halo nature, or having a trend which people will not be willing to give up? None. Which means it is more capable to try something out of the box and be innovative. Oh it is a Porsche does not mean anything, but trying to out do a Porsche with the same powertrain criteria and level of refinement and performance from a company that built land barges will mean something. Isn't that what Nissan did with its GTR against the 911 Turbo? With your argument that people will not buy a Cadillac because it is not a Porsche, why would they buy a 620hp Chevy over another exotic? Don't build it then. You better make that as the V version then, because based on your notion, it will be said, oh it is a BMW Z4 and MB SLK, Cadillac will have no hope of knocking off those, it has to deliver a car that has to be so much better than them for $20k less that it will not be funny. You misinterpreted my statement. You argued that with $7500 rebate a N* V8 will cost almost same as the V-6, then why would anyone want a V-6. In that case you are assuming that V-8 if continued in production will continue to have that rebate and that V-6 won't. I put $6,500 as a number, it can be anything. The fact is if you claim that XLR is bad in resale, nothing is going to help it, not even putting an engine made of gold, till you fix the image up. Smaller engine most of the time brings in volume and putting a V-6 may bring more cash to the platform which will help GM's coffers. As you mentioned the people buying these cars do not care about gas, and other intangibles, will they care for the intangible of depreciation? Why build the car then, if the initial market research is as negative as you think, GM should not build XLR. If Hyundai had the same mentality they will not have build the RWD, if Toyota had that mentality they would not have formed the Lexus division, if Chevy had that mentality they will not be building the ZR-1. Instead spend that money to increase R&D and Marketing of other vehicles. The same was said about CTS that it will not out do a BMW, or a Lexus, yet the second generation went by and has won raves. Can't that be said about the XLR? XLR is on a good platform it needs tweaks and a makeover to justify its luxurious pretensions. The 3.6 DOHC weighs about 350-370lb, does DI add about a 40-60lb penalty? The N* in XLR weighs 432lb.

Tick-Tock eh? Whatever for the last four. They can even make them as one mega dealership and thus form "three" brands.

Did you mean that with Chevy, B-P-G, Saturn-Saab, Caddy-Hummer will be the 4 brands?

If that is the case then 4-5 brands have to be euthanized. I am not saying which ones. :AH-HA_wink:

Staundup Comedy

Cadillac has to play the tit-for-tat game as it will be their dominant strategy coming from behind in a market which is being shared by the big boys, but at the same time they have to create their own ground. Tit-for-tat will not always work. SL does not offer it here does not mean that it won't. The perception of $3 gas will make MB rethink its strategies, now since it has a powerful V-6 under its belt. The reason why people do not realize there is not a V-6 in the Porsche is because the the V-6 is damn F$cking good. The DI is good too, and if you give the XLR the dynamics of the Porsche and like ZL-1 said use Tit-fot-tat tactic, you are not losing any prestige. V-8 existed in the 1960s-70s in Impalas and Novas they were not certainly prestigious vehicles. The notion that V-8 = more power is also baseless with GM's own example 3.6L DI = 304hp, N*V-8 - 320hp, agreed that N* has not had a shiny replacement. But my point is with the advancement of technology V-8, V-6 argument has become a shot in the dark. Nissan GTR has a V-6 and charges $70K. The point is more money = more cylinder = more horsepower = more size becoming obsolete with globalization, it may not be a good thing in the eyes of some here, but it is the reality. Especially with current craze of people and manufacturers alike to give cars more European feel upto a certain extent lesser cylinder = still more fun = still good horsepower = still prestigious will come with that craze. I did not say price the V-6 around $75k. You may even charge $65k, I don't care, but having a V-6 in the XLR will definitely not hurt. And besides, how do you not know that the V-6 will not get $6,500 rebates on the price that NOS quoted? That will still make it cheaper than the N* V-8, won't it? For having 16hp less and more fuel efficient vehicle, it will be still worth it

It will not be a bad idea to have the DI along with the other V-8 engine options. Cadillac has intentions to be a world competitor with other luxury brands. SL offers SL350 as its base engine in Europe which in 2009 will have the 3.5DI making 310hp. Other than US the V-6 makes the list as the main engine. Till 2006 SL came with the 302hp 5.0L engine and the N* at that time was more than capable. Like Nick said no one will care for a Porsche not having a V-8 in that price range. If you build a good V-6, people will buy it. Do you think people in that price zone are enthusiasts? And enthusiasts like some of the people at C&G will never be able to buy that car brand new, so why worry? Having $7,500 off does not make an excuse of not having a V-6, that shows the car is not selling in its current guise. Making it more flexible and giving options may help.

America with its current system has become a tired, raped out, broke-nose whore. Unless we revolutionize as entire population not one or few, we will be gobbled. I mean people talk about security against Arabs post 911, yet now one seems to care that 10% of the stakes of Citibank which is the citizen of US were taken by Arab firms. We do not need "change" we need big dollars.

SL just has an update for 2009.

Mr. Doane Happy Boithday. Keep us posted with exciting photos and news.

Man I was Kidding. You did not have to be that honest.

It is ironic. Mahindra manufactured Jeeps and Willys under the license for 50 years, when it expired in 1992-3 something. Now they want to buy it. Their vehicles were called "Jeeps" and are still called that way. Sorry, but I would rather have the brand stay here. Cerebrus is showing lack of patience. Auto industry is becoming a game of patience and survival, and Funds just show the lack of it. They are traders not investors according to Warren Buffet, what can you expect?

And the spy keeps his identity safe one more time.

Except for the H badge, what you see in Euro Accord is what TSX will be.

Bandicoot

Saab's Depreciate a lot in the first couple of years. 20-22K for a 2008 Aero seems reasonable.

The way they said it, the 2.4 may end up being a Europe only option.

Are you using the Relay of Life for that Fund?

Frank, PM me your phone number (I lost it). I will be more than happy to fund some money. May be weather permitting, I will fly up there on the walk day and join your Frat for the walk with Alisa.