Z-06

It is more like a Ghetto Limousine.

Well if that is the case why was GM being panned for putting 4-speeds in its cars? Where is the direct injection in Hondas? Where is design language in the Crosstour, ZDX and other shield faced Acuras? Again it does not work both ways. You bash GM about Camaro styled lights yet you are okay with tacky chrome shields of the Acuras or humongous grilled same sausage different size Audis? We are in agreement here. So BMW using electric steering is not cost cutting? BMW using the heavier platform of 7 series for 5er is not cost cutting? VW/Audi using its modular platform for everything from A4 to Bentleys is not cost cutting? Audis, Porsches, and VW sharing components is not cost cutting? In fact GM was pioneer in recognizing this and implementing in the 90s, Germans are just now following GM's innovation in manufacturing. You know that Insignia and Regal were produced in the same factory in Germany right? The interior of both cars is similar right? The fact you bought the Tundra in first place shows the failure to think outside the box and actually researching a vehicle before buying it. It is a Toyota = has to be the best mentality at its finest. All the post above just shows the ignorance of your "informed" persona. Did you even read my final statement about room for improvement for GM? Yes that will come from defending GM all I wanted. Stop trolling and do some research and then come back with valid arguments. Back to Saab fiasco. Anything more about GM bashing will be deleted unless it is a valid constructive argument with supported information.

First do some research before coming and sniping on any forums. Coming here with ignorance and calling out touchy and lack of owner's care is nothing short of being ignorant on your part. You walked into the cave of lions so better be prepared for a fight or get slaughtered. Your ignorance does not change the reality that Corolla is piece of junk and your statement of perceived better value of Corolla to Cruze is nothing short of another ignorance on your behalf which I do not have to prove. Do some research beyond Consumer Reports or your limited circle of friends. Those statements were straight from Insideline. I do not have time and energy to prove how better the magazine felt the Buick was compared to the Lexus. Perfect, each on your own. You can sit in the Boxter and feel the experience and blow the money on its depreciation. Just like Nissan and Corvettes are tacky to you, to me Boxter is an overpriced under performing vehicle with no value per $ spent. It just seems that according to you an average person should not have a car that puts the exotics to shame in performance and that is why you nail the car for its so called tackiness and cheapness. It just feels there is a sour grapes thought in those comments when those cars destroy your Boxter when it comes to performance and value. Yes in the same token I do not take care of Lumina and TSX as well, yet they have held well to my tortures and enthusiast spirit. Just proves my point further that my BMW is a piece of junk. See it works both ways buddy. Don't come here trashing people. I am not here to listen to "How I need to take care of my vehicles 101" from trolls.

Sarcasm is indeed missed.

So a Toyota Corrolla with a 4-speed automatic transmission and no platform update since 2003 is a complete package? That is the high quality and completely packaged Lexus for you. Or Honda with its 5-speed transmission, no direct injection engines and design that will put GM's 90s design blandness to shame is a complete package? The quality of my 2005 TSX is better than the new TSX. But yes, they are cars that people buy. How about the howlers from Nissan - Sentra and Versa. Are they complete packages as well? BMW's fit and finish is nothing short of glaringly deficient. The plastics of my 2005 BMW 330i are terrible, the upholstery is peeling off, leather is blemished. The TSX and my 98 Lumina look better in shape than the BMW. The car has had electrical gremlins and also seen all its windows motors replaced. That is indeed a quality product! Have you heard of BMW's HFPF problem? The F30 has no design theme, the plastics look cheap and the interior is virtually unchanged since 1990s. At least Bangle had balls to be creative and polarizing. And as for the Corvette and the stereotypes you are adding to the car - the ignorance is similar to the one in your comment about Prius and Volts. Yes Porsche may put clubbed baby seal leather in its anemic 320 odd hp Boxter S but then it clubs the customer $85k for that car. For half that price you can get the 370Z and club the Boxter if you are willing to forget the 85% quality at 105% performance. If I was shelling $200k on a Panamera Turbo S, I will expect the car to have clubbed baby Panda leather sewn by Matthias Muller with his own hands. I still stand by my statement that GM lacks in perception game that Japanese and Germans have mastered and now Koreans are mastering. The GM products except for a few are vastly better than the perception you have. Is there a room for improvement? Sure, but they are not howlers as you claim to be. Neither was I. What I mentioned about those brands also came casually in a lively conversation with informed automobile enthusiasts.

Man that's tough.

Elaborate.

Those are stereotypes also, though....I know some DB BMW/MB/Audi owners, but most I know are good people..hard working tech professionals..same w/ the Prius drivers. I agree, "Observing and Reporting" was making stereotypes of GM owners. I just wanted to point out that same can be said of car brands his cohorts own.

I think I can answer them, since I have driven the Jetta TDI. Modern diesels have come a long way. I was testing one of our new CAT track-hoes. I was amazed by how silent the engine felt from inside the cabin.

Moltar, GM's problem is perception. The person above gives a good cross-section of ignorance that GM has to deal with. Honestly critics like these need to be taken with heart by GM and worked on. That is where marketing should be effective and concentrated. GM is not doing a good job with marketing. With his token we can say the same about the brands his cohorts own. Honda and Toyota - bought by clueless, vanilla public who are still stuck in reading their bible on appliances - Consumer Reports. And by younger kids who want to rice those vehicles. BMW, Mercedes, Audi - owned by deuchebags and strippers, a herd at higher level. Volvo - owned by old cadavers who want to keep their skeletons safe.

Honestly, Victor Muller should be nullified by GM. Court should call the $3B lawsuit as frivolous and throw it out of the window. When SAAB was worth less than tenth of the price how can he claim that much money? We need to see GM's side. I hope Ackerson and company knew what they were doing when they made those calls for denying the takeover. And whoever his financial backers are, they just like before, will lose money of their shirts and skirts.

I guess Victor Muller is shooting a shotgun with a 6-inch barrell on Cheers and Gears? The Question like - "Why buy a Volt when we could buy a Prius?" makes your enlightened statmement as ignorant as the GM owners you are ranting about. Oh does Prius not have any subsidy from government both US and Japanese?

Not bad, but let us scrutinize each and every post from Guests. What happens if moderator/admin does not approve the post?

Bland, boring badge job from Nissan. Why is Carlos considered the "brain" in automotive business?

Strange

Well said all around here, Gentlemen. I do however believe Cort that you MUST drop in here occasionally; I can't see C&G without your road trips and anecdotes.

Doesn't have to. Tracking a 270 hp before a 505 hp car is like warming up. May be a used Solstice with Stage II Upgrade.

Gotta admit, I love the BRZ. If only it had the turbo producing around ~270hp.

Wake up SMK, use your wikipedia and google search efficiently. Ecotec turbos in drag racing are producing at least 750 hp. So they are better than Porsche and Nissan sixers. Just like you said in the other thread about turbo charged V6 in Cadillac cannot compete with a V8 in BMW or MB, a turbo charged Gen V V8 is just another step away from taking that precious crown of more hp from Nissan and Porsche sixers.

Sad, but I am happy for you. I hope you have a Vette soon in your life.

According to SMK, a certain thing is best if it has (1) high volume, (2) lot of years of production, (3) high investment in R&D. GM's small block family satisfies all three criteria. So SMK does have to agree with most of us here do that GM's small blocks are the best in the business.

Happy Birthday Z

I like all three. But for money I will go with the Yukon.

As soon as I read that, I immediately thought of this. Had one of these been available when I was truck shopping a couple of years ago, I definitely would have sprung for it. Those trucks were fast and fun. Too bad GM discontinued manual transmissions altogether in GMT900s.

Not bad. See if you can get one with 4.8V8 and 5 speed.