Flybrian

Yeaaaaah. I too don't know where that came from.

Again, sarcasm.

Lemon-suckin' Olds. Still looks better than a Lincoln of this general vintage.

True that, unlike the Panthers, B-body cars did have desireable attributes. For the record, I like the old B-bodies. They're solid cars and most look pretty nice. Hell, I was hot and ready to buy a '96 Roadmaster if it weren't already sold. There is also no doubt in my mind the Caprice was the best service car built. However, their ship has sailed; blame GM for that. All I recognize is that resurecting such a car is not a top priority for General Motors today, especially in light of current financial woes. Fix the big problems first. Also, just because Ford's Panther cars still exist doesn't make them 'awesome' or any less mediocre than they were back in 1996 when GM's trio was clearly better. The B-body's cancellation doesn't raise the CV/GM/TC to some higher plane - they're still floaty, minimally-equipped, overpriced (Town Car), dowdy-looking (GM) sedans. And as a personal note, it gets old hearing the same, old worn-out tune of "good, strong BOF V8 RWD > FWD traverse V6 unibody shitbox" again...and again...and again...and again. We all have our preferences, fantastic. But to get so aggressive and hostile over it. Man...

Chris, if you want to throw down fisticuffs, fine. I've got Jack Johnson and Tom O'Leary ready for ya. Right here.

Domino's mascot in the 80s until '89 when he was dropped because... Just thought that was hillarious.

Its a hybrid of both.

I said that, but I completely made that up. Its true meaning has been lost to history.

Yes. The real commuter hybrid.

Manufacturers like...Honda. And who mentioned anything about the Focus? Man...

You mean San Dee-ah-go. No one knows its original meaning.

My thoughts and prayers go out to your brother-in-law. Hope he's doing well. I have great respect for those in law enforcement, especially around this time of the year. They keep the criminal drunks off the roads and help ensure the rest of us are safe.

Heh. This probably stems from that inadvertant slash I typed. I meant Cutlass Cruiser as in the wagon. I agree, the Ciera killed alot of Olds sales. I think the Cutlibu would've been more appropriate due to its 4/6-cyl configuration and its general styling. A good Ciera successor that needed a bit more Oldsmobile and of course a bench seat.

You actually had me 'till this. The same can be said for the preppy kids on campus who buy Wranglers with big, knobby tires, take off the doors, throw back the roof, and drive them back and forth to Starbucks and Chik-fil-a. I live in the densest, most urban county in the state of Florida and we can't even drive on the beach legally, so where do these jokers go? Truth is both brands make vehicles of generally excellent capability, varying by model of course, and have owners who buy for that capability and owners who buy for image. I really never saw the reason for hostility between the two brands, especially since they're both born from the same vehicle historically...

This is because public transportation in the majority of this country is a second-tier transit system, those of the classless, penniless, and a means to tide one over until they can afford a car. Its unfortunate. Our county bus system doesn't have that level of seediness. Its actually pretty nice...as long as you don't really care where you go...or when you get there.

I want one, too. I still think one of its biggest downfalls was its ridiculously high MSRP ($50-something,000 in today's money).

The Canadians. They walk among us. William Shatner. Michael J. Fox. Monty Hall. Mike Meyers. Alex Trebek. All of them Canadians. All of them here.

Yes, the B-body is dead, has been dead, get over it. The B-body will likely never return and if any BOF car is ever built again, it'll be on a different platform. Also, those are nameplates, man, not chassies. There's a difference. The Camaro is returning as a RWD, V8 musclecar, but not on the F-body. Find me one person who gives a shit. The basis of your argument is this body-on-frame kitsch. Where are you going to build this wonder barge? No BOF car lines exist and I doubt one could translate a GMT chassies into a slick Cadillac. Look at DeVille/DTS sales stats. Old people and yacht-lovers crave them and have padded the Cadillac purse for a decade without the Fleetwood. DeVille gave the Fleetwood buyer most of what they were used to and more gadgets while sacrificing RWD - which some care about - and frame construction - which nobody who bought them except livery companies care about. Also, if this is such a lucrative market, don't you think Cadillac should've pursued it more back in the early-90s when it had a Fleetwood? Show me stats to prove me wrong, but I have a feeling Lincoln handily outsold Cadillac in the low-profit fleet market back in the '90s. This makes no sense in regards to this argument. And its a fact that fleet sales account for far lower-profit margins than retail sales because fleet buyers typically do two things: 1) Buy the cheapest, strippest trim available. 2) Want a massive discount on it. Show me the profit compared to a retail car loaded with options. You're also talking two different fleets. You propose this BOF car because limo companies want to chop them up. Yet, you retort still? Look, plain and simple: Your desire requires GM to have a plant to manufacture this car and honestly, GM has a lot more problems right now than this. If only they had the luxury of worrying about a low profit, lower-volume segment that'll costs lots of money to get back into. Tell you what. You shut up and support the FWD unibody DOHC shitboxes like Epsilon II and the Lambada crossovers that help General Motors compete and make some money again and when the glory days of deep pockets and big bucks return, I'll be there to personally lay the keel for your boat, 'kay?

The Cielo roof concept gave you sedan body integrity with convertible fun. And clearly you didn't see the '99 Cielo concept posted, which is all frameless with the top.

You're such a dick. :P [post="60821"][/post] But seriously, I hope you know those two quotes I included are sarcastic.

Then again, that photo isn't taken from any real seating position - its just showing a cupholder with a bottle of water. Imagine your Big Gulp there instead. And I'm sure (hope?) that little framed glass doesn't interfere with visibility; it just looks stupid.

Neat lines, sure. Exotic? Hardly. This... ...is exotic. And this... ...would tide me over.

THAT would be the very last usage of tailfins, albeit in vestigial form.

This reminds me of when Monogram, Revell, and Testors released what they all though was the new F-117 stealth Fighter (then designated F-19) in the early-80s. Congress had no idea what the plane looked like and were pretty livid because they thought someone at the Air Force or a contractor had leaked plans for the kits. Really, they didn't look anything like the actual F-117, but, hey, made Congress feel stupid.

Clearwater, a suburb of Tampa/St. Petersburg. Unfortuntately, the majority of the new high-rise buildings here are promulgated along the beaches as condominums and offices are moving to large, expansive coporate parks only a few stories high but spread across acres. Its quite ridiculous.