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Except none of those are SUVs. Something like 70% of the market is SUV/truck and probably more for American car companies. Camaro sales are tanking, Impala and all the other large sedans are tanking. Cadillac should be building blacking V8 SUVs, that would outsell any V8 powered sedan they could come up with.

If they had $10k margin they wouldn't be killing the car. That is pickup truck margin because they have 1 platform for Silverado, Sierra, Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Escalade and high price tags to go with the volume.

But the cost is higher on CT6. GM could be losing money on every one they build because there is no economies of scale. The A8 isn’t adding any major development cost when a dozen cars are on that platform and those engines and transmissions are all shared.

Audi has sold anywhere from 15,000 to 40,000 A8s per year world wide over the past 10 years, lets call it like 25k per year average. Probably comparable with CT6 in USA and China combined numbers. But the big difference is the A8 is build on the Volkswagen MLB chassis which is also used for: A4, A5, A6, A7, Q5, Q7, Q8, E-Tron, Bentley Flying Spur, Bentley Continental, Bentley Bentayga, VW Toureg, Porsche Cayenne, Porsche Macan and Lamborghini Urus. So what do all those sell in volume? Has to be over 1 million units a year worldwide.

GM leadership wants to get them to a mobility company where basically they can build self driving pods and sell rides. It is more profitable business model to be in that direct to consumer sales model, although they aren't selling cars, they are selling rides. And if it is a self driving pod that gets someone from home to work or home to the store and lets them play on their phone or sleep the whole time, it doesn't matter what it looks like or what the performance is.

I bet CT6’s will be available for low prices on the used market, especially once production ends.

I had read they won’t use the Blackwing in the Escalade and I forget the reason but I think they should use it. Hell I’d make it the standard engine offer a 500 hp tune base and a 600 hp tune for V. And they probably make nearly zero profit on a Malibus and GM is going to lose money on every C8 under $80k. The beancounters won’t let that go on long.

I think it is a waste because China has a displacement tax increase at 4.0 liters, so the tax would be more than the 3.99 liter German V8s. And I don’t think there is any V8 demand there anyway. And since Cadillac didn’t make rest drive crossovers like I have been saying they should do for years, there is no where to use this engine. 500k since 2014 model year. The W222 chassis S-class passed 500k units last week. So we are talking about 80k a year which is pretty good at a $125k a unit.

Mercedes has sold over 500,000 of the current S-class world wide, so it isn’t such a small volume. XT6 should have been an Omega platform crossover, I agree with you there and probably they could have made 2 crossovers on Omega to keep the platform viable.

That was Rick Wagoner’s GM also

Wouldn't shock me if GM's only car post 2025 is the Corvette. I could see them killing Cadillac's sedans and most of the Chevy's too.

The grille looks a bit nuts even by BMW big grille standards. But rear wheel drive so off to a good start.

No the Grand National gets a 1.6 turbo!

All sedans are pretty much tanking hard, it is sad to see. I do wonder about the future collector car market, I can’t imagine any millennials will want a 60s muscle car, or any old car. What’s collectible now may be worthless in 30 years. And what are the future collectibles? Mostly everything sold is an SUV, even Lamborghini and Porsche sell mostly SUVs that will just get used up and disposed of.

Figured that was coming especially with GM not having Opel anymore.

MERCEDES-BENZ USA Sales -- November 2019 Mercedes-Benz Passenger Vehicles Nov-19 Nov-18 Monthly % YTD 2019 YTD 2018 Yearly % A-CLASS 1,544 _ _ 16,475 _ _ B-CLASS* 0 0 0.0% 9 134 -93.3% CLA 1,641 1,832 -10.4% 11,056 20,848 -47.0% C-CLASS 4,469 5,777 -22.6% 45,740 53,610 -14.7% E-CLASS/CLS 3,689 5,181 -28.8% 36,770 41,380 -11.1% S-CLASS 1,452 1,672 -13.2% 11,441 13,492 -15.2% SLC 62 149 -58.4% 1,693 1,841 -8.0% SL 100 181 -44.8% 1,550 1,968 -21.2% AMG GT 534 103 418.4% 3,763 1,389 170.9% GLA 2,461 2,411 2.1% 20,041 21,739 -7.8% GLC 7,515 6,199 21.2% 67,214 62,433 7.7% GLE 6,052 3,988 51.8% 44,193 42,276 4.5% GLS 2,893 2,761 4.8% 19,323 19,308 0.1% G-CLASS 1,309 768 70.4% 6,532 3,525 85.3% TOTAL 33,721 31,022 8.7% 285,800 283,943 0.7% Vans1 3,542 1,857 90.7% 36,650 34,062 7.6% MBUSA Combined Total Nov-19 Nov-18 Monthly % YTD 2019 YTD 2018 Yearly % GRAND TOTAL 37,263 32,879 13.3% 322,450 318,005 1.4% *Model has been discontinued in the U.S. market. 1Mercedes-Benz, Freightliner Sprinter and Metris Vans are sold and marketed in the U.S. by Mercedes-Benz USA and Daimler Vans USA, respectively. They did release them.

I bet Renault/Nissan is wishing they had that FCA merger right about now. Because not only are their sales in a spiral, they rely a lot on rental fleets for Nissan/Infiniti sales also, so they aren't even profitable sales. Infiniti has nothing in their line up, that brand is more dead in the water than Lincoln was a couple years ago. Really they are a lot like FCA in terms of product offering but don't have the storied brand names like Jeep or Alfa Romeo in the stable or have the marketing ability that Dodge has to keep older than dirt product alive with trim packages, styling tweaks and Hellcat engines, etc.

Mercedes outsold BMW in November, and is now positive for the year. E-class outsold 5-series S-class outsold 7-series AMG GT outsold 8-series GLC outsold X3 GLE outsold X5 GLS outsold X7 G-wagen sales up 70% Mercedes-AMG models up 18.9%

These guys lost to Mercedes this month. Nice to see the 3-series selling big, at least some people still buy cars and haven't given up on life and bought a boring crossover.

Genesis benefitting from those Monday Night Football halftime shows. Although they still only sold 2,000 cars.

I like the original front end more, the back looks the same, seems like a mid-cycle refresh without too much change. Slight interior upgrade, nice improvements but probably not going to move the sales needle.

Right the new Tesla, and it has rocket thrusters and like 7,000 lb-ft of torque.

The tri-motor Cybertruck would win a tug of war against a Super Duty F350, probably with ease due to the electric motors. In fact, I bet the Tesla Roadster would win a tug of war with an F350.

Genesis needs a SUVs and they’ll be fine. The Palisade is better than the new Explorer based on reviews so make a luxury version and it will beat Lincoln or Infiniti or the XT6 and Genesis will have sales.

Hyundai reliability seems to have been stealing sedan and crossover sales of GM and Ford for years, thus why the Elantra and Sonata are still here and Focus, Cruze and Fusion are not. Cadillac’s global volume is about 300k units, Audi, BMW and MB are over 2 million so Cadillac has some work to do in that regard. Genesis even more so.