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Turning circle: Jeep Patriot 35'6" Chevy Sonic with 17" rims: 36'1"

Asking $20k private sale. And I actually don't know what the tow rating is, I wonder how much a rig like that weighs?

Fear Fisker?

Not shur about chips, be fun just to check and see wut's out there. reg, those baby Bufords wit turbo are 30 grand. Too much money for what I need. In other woids, I could see spending that on a truck, but not a car. Sonic RS is just the ticket, the way it's tricked out.

The picture I posted above is the best photo I've seen of the new MKZ. One thing Lincoln could do quickly and cheaply to distance themselves from corresponding Fords is to create a unique color palette. And not just in name only. Every color on the MKZ is also available on the new Fusion. Lazy on Ford's part.

A speculative animation feature............

These kids and their crazy hotrods!

A Sonic for daily and a '98-'03 S-10 4X4 for the worst weather and Lowe's runs would be ideal. And in the 90's I was ALL ABOUT getting myself an air-cooled VW. There was a shop local to me in MD that refurbished, sold, and serviced air-cooled VWs.

I stand corrected. Edmunds has 2013 Sonic prices up today. And Edmunds has Blue Topaz as a color choice on the RS. That color, with blacked out windows and the darker RS rims, would be a wicked little Chevy, imo. Max cargo capacity, 2013 Sonic hatch: 47.7 cu ft. 2012 Patriot: 63.4 cu ft.

7200 on the Patriot. Had its 2nd earl change yesterday, and a tarr rotation. Service dep't at my purchasing dealer is low key and professional, I appreciate that. My one warranty issue so far was handled cleanly. After nine munts of use, as with anything, eyes open wider. I would change some things on the Jeep Patriot to improve it: - 6 speed automatic or 6 speed manual transmission offered on the FDII Trail Rated edition. The CVT still feels weird. - More horsepower out of a naturally-aspirated 4 cylinder engine tuned for low end torque, a 4WD necessity. - More improvements to the interior. Center console has a nifty sliding armrest, but it feels flimsy, it wobbles too much. Outer seat tracks can grab your calves when getting out of vehicle, on their relatively sharp edges. - Odd tire size (215/65R17) very hard to find, and a larger tire becomes problematic with rubbing issues. - At idle, in gear, it vibrates more than any other vehicle I remember owning. Slipping it into neutral solves the issue. - Tiny fuel tank relative to vehicle type makes filling up a too-often event, although it translates to a less-costly fill-up. Although I beat the fuel mileage ratings pretty regularly, I cannot help but feel a better transmission would free up the engine's meager available power and give better mileage.

The later 3.4 DOHC was a reliable engine. Shortstar was a tragic hero. But the 3800 was run out of the market through no fault of its own.

Looks very good from here! Only 83k miles? Lots of recent work done, too. My only fear is body rot disguised by distance to my eyeballs.

Not to mention the Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8.

According to KBB, the MSRP, as configured for the 1500: $31,360. Sonic: $21,845. $9500 difference, not to mention gasoline and insurance. That's close to $200 more per munt in payments alone, if I use the old rule of $20/mu per $1k borrowed. Funny how KBB publishes upcoming model year prices relatively early compared to the OE website. Edmunds doesn't have 2013 prices up yet, either.

feelin' like a fool... 2013 Silverado 1500 W/T 4X4 shortbed reg cab Blue Topaz Metallic Dark Titanium cloth LS trim package 5.3L/6 speed auto 3.08 G80 locker Power locks/keyless entry CD player Dark tint glass Protection package (rear wheel liners and bed rail protectors) Immediate aftermarket mods: LT265/70R17 BFG Load Range C All-Terrain T/A tires, Flowmaster muffler, rubber bed mat. 2013 Sonic RS Cyber Gray Metallic 6-speed manual sunroof These two represent a conflict inside myself. I was raised a country boy, and I loved it. Today, I live in the suburbs of a small city. Should I let my heart rule, or my head? I enjoyed my Fiesta, but after my accident, I stated here I would not own another subcompact... that was before the Sonic RS appeared, with its sporty, tossable, yet economical demeanor. The Sonic is easily a better car than the Fiesta, with the torque-happy little 1.4L. The RS package is icing on the cake with meaningful upgrades. The Chevy pickup has played a huge part in my automotive life so far, and it is a familiar, comfortable place to be, with versatility unmatched by any car. But can I justify the extra, ongoing expenses associated with a full-size pickup truck? This is what I'm going through now, automotively speaking. The decision on what's next.

To our own Control Specimen: relax and have fun celebrating your birthday today, sir.

These little guys are multiplying around here, as well. The colors on them are interesting, too. This turbo sounds pretty cool.

I am always afraid that with that kind of mileage, several things, somewhere, are on the edge of fritz. You have the wherewithal to check them out, test them, before buying. For me there is a fundamental difference between highway mileage which is racked up quickly on long, smooth over-the-road cruises, and hard, off-road, stop-and-go slogs through the muck. If an undercarriage is clean and leak-free (weepage is usually inconsequential), if there are no odd rust situations to indicate water immersion (salt or fresh), if the guy has his maintenance records, if he is the original owner, etc. etc. Another point is: if the truck has that many miles, it must be a good one. Jeez, I am no help here. With my vehicle purchasing history (new, new, new) maybe I have no business sticking my nose in. I personally would not do it because I don't have the tools, nor the inclination, to execute the type of repairs that are likely required. I would think plowing would be hard on the transmission, brakes, front suspension, steering linkages and frame of any pickup truck.

I'd figure it this way: You can buy it cheap, yeah, but you will be spending money on repairs, and with a good chance of continually spending money on repairs, you will still have a truck with 229k miles, worth very little. To someone else, if you find you need to unload it.

Well, I miss mine. I had reasons to get rid of it, but 3 years later they don't seem as compelling as they did then. After two accidents in the same left front corner of the truck, I could see misaligned parts after the repairs that drove me nuts and I felt I was powerless to get the issues corrected. That, and four dollar gas. Nevermind. After writing them down, they were good enough reasons, especially the poor repair work. But they still make them, I could get another, with careful planning.

I think it's humorous how in the renderings, GM trucks are wicked cool level, but in person, they have their asses in the air like a bitch in heat.