Drew Dowdell

You mean like that XF which is on an updated version of the old S-type DEW98 platform which was based on the Lincoln LS and now underpins the Mustang yet after all that somehow ends up looking like an MKS Vanden Plas? That Jaguar?

Just needed to be said again and bolded.

The platform is old enough that they've wrung all the kinks out of it.

My assessment is this. My driveway drops 12 feet in 48 feet. In the CTS, if I didn't have snow tires on and we had even just a 1/2 an inch, I couldn't get up the driveway. With the Dunlop WinterSports, it was no trouble.

They would spin it thusly: "This new RWD system by Toyota brings an even higher level of sophistication, comfort, and reliability to the already top of it's class Camry. It's a shame GM is so far behind the curve switching it's platforms to RWD."

So was Terri Schivo

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I don't see it. Better interior quality. Worse on road noise, power, HVAC capacity. On looks it's a wash. The Cobalt is bland in non-SS trim. The Fit is dorky in any trim. If there is one thing the Germans and Asians haven't yet "Americanized" it's the capabilities of their HVAC systems.....

I'm so glad those Honda 4-cylinders are so smooth at high RPM....considering I have to rev it up to 4,500 RPM just to get up a very modest incline at 65mph.

Should we consider this our invite?

It's a question of more control over less.

This is one of the few posts ever where I'll agree with SMK seeing as we live in the same city. There are plenty of rear drivers here in Pittsburgh. I got along just fine in my '04 CTS with 4 snow tires. As far as snow tires just on the rear..... I guess you people don't need to steer?

Yay for 1990's Lincoln technology.

I understood that it was. Just no products using Zeta+AWD yet.

Right, not like there's a global economic melt down or anything..... it's totally because they sell RWD.

You're waaaay over thinking it in a sorta way.

You think if the Camry were switched to RWD but kept the same look, sales would suddenly tank?

Killing brands = market share gone. It's that simple. If Ford kills Mercury, Mercury buyers aren't going to buy Fords or Lincolns. They bought a Mercury because they didn't like what the Ford looked like or offered and they didn't buy the Lincoln because they probably couldn't afford it. If Toyota killed Scion, do you think Corolla/Matrix sales would shoot up? Unlikely If BMW killed Mini. The 1 series wouldn't even feel the tickle of increased sales. Face it, even as we like to mock some of the current Pontiac products. They still sell. There is some reason that someone picks a G6 over a Malibu or a Torrent over an Equinox or a Vibe over an Aveo or Matrix. The Torrent can move easily to GMC, but where are you going to put the G6? The Vibe? The G8? Saturn's base fans are a rather weird set. Kill Saturn completely and most will likely end up at Scion or Honda.

you forgot the 32.4 surround sound

Reg, SMK would never buy a Sixteen because it's not DOHC.

Again. You are incorrect and we've gone over this before with you. The A8 is available in 2.8 liter FWD, 3.2 liter FWD, and 3.2 DI FWD. in Germany. If you continue to post unfactual stuff that I know, for certain, you know isn't true, you're going back on ban. This time will be permanent. The A8 is the most attractive of the Germans. I personally like the XJ the most out of this group.

Did you pack the sawzaw for the b-pillar?

But the CTS-V doesn't have a 2/3rds of the price interior... which is what they are implying the Hyundai has.