Drew Dowdell

Agila? What's that? Vaio? Sony will have a problem with that one. I just like Apollo because it sounds strong. No one outside of us will remember it. It's a real name.

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Sorry, I have to ban you now.

How many outside of C&G and boards like it would even know there was once a Buick called Apollo? I'm not against Skylark.

Buick Apollo? If the make a small coupe version, the obvious choice is Reatta

Cruze is Delta II, just like the next gen Astra, 9-3, and apparently this Buick

Dodge something.

In typical GM fashion, the reliability issues had been fixed in the final two years.

What do you do to your cars man? Ford was never able to make a decent FWD automatic and wisely outsourced that to GM, but their RWDs were reliable if a bit clunky.

Since you've already been fisked by other users about your stupidly inaccurate A8 information but I want you to think about this next one for a second. Do you really think people cross shopping Acura, Lincoln, and Buick are going to care if the car gets to 60 in 6.9 seconds instead of 6.3?

To be fair, the Catera was half assed and we didn't even get the good engines. We got the engine Europe didn't want. The L-series was never really marketed.

Gas prices will not remain low. As soon as the economy rebounds expect gas to shoot back up to previous peaks and higher. I expect that once that happens, gentrification will start to occur.

Yeah, because Sweden never gets snow. I do realize how compactly thing are built elsewhere. We need to start moving in that direction as well. This isn't an overnight fix.

I do know that the Bravada only ever had the I6. I think I'm fairly settled on the Bravada, I was mostly asking if there were any big things I should watch out for. It looks like their reliability got really good in the '04 model year. Oh yeah, as for comparing car specs... you can't beat Carpoint.com with a stick.

But there is sustainable and unsustainable.... and Cleveland to Cincinnati in a little over 2 hours? They're 250 miles apart! Even at 90mph the whole way you're looking at nearly 3 hours. Furthermore, I'm saying that we need to change our lifestyles. Our lifestyles are what got us in this mess to begin with.

I've made a few trips, but still live in the U.S.

We're talking 5k or 6k a most here. I'm not going to get a 9-7x for that. Isn't the Atlas 6 more powerful than even the V8s in the Explorer/Mountaineer?

No one wanted to ride a passenger train that was forced to share the track with a 20mph coal train.... imagine that! If there was highspeed rail like they have in Germany that would get you from Cleveland to Pittsburgh in an hour, Cleveland to Columbus in an hour, Cleveland to Cincinatti in 2 hours, you think people would prefer to drive? No way man. Columbus to Indianapolis to Chicago would be about 4 hours. Here is the kicker. A true high speed line like the fastest French TGV could do the NYC to Chicago run in 3.5 hours or less. You cannot fly to chicago that quickly when you take into account the airport waits, taxiing, etc. Think about the amount of carbon jet engines deliver directly into the air.

Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you RoadmaSSter.

I've found a few already. I was looking at the Bravada over the TB/Envoy because it is more likely to have luxury features which I'll admit I'm a whore for. Additionally, it would likely have taken the biggest depreciation hit for 1. Being an Oldsmobile. 2. Being an orphan. I think all Bravadas came with AWD Smartrak

i guess the I should have stated the obvious and say that it should be a GM. No Chysler minivans for me. I prefer something with a working transmission

I'm really tired of not having a vehicle and driving the CRV (gag) on weekends. I want something cheap, and even though I'm not an SUV kinda guy, I need one for working on apartments. The CRV has served remarkably well in that role. I want something cheap because I don't want to spend much money before leaving for Germany (which seems to be eternally delayed). What about a final model Bravada? Anyone have any info on them?

It was posted on a Fiero forum..... that one is sure to start a flame war. ..... what? .. too soon?

ah, no it's roadrunner..... but I bet it's still shared hosting.

Looks like that site is hosted on Bluehost..... x2000