Drew Dowdell

Shhh... no one tell @ocnblu. His house isn't powered by coal at all and his part of the state has a pretty high number of renewable "greenie weenie" projects.

Yeah, I'm around 13 c/kWh net cost and I'm on green energy.

Found it. You pay 10 c/kWh.

Constellation Energy, Green Mountain Energy, and FirstEnergy are already publically traded. #1 and #3 are among the largest energy generators in the country. I still want to see your bill. 6 cent per kWh would only barely cover delivery.

Honestly, no. Out of necessity I have to skim stuff on here when I'm incredibly busy at work. I am all over the NYC area the past few days. I addressed your concern. I missed it in the original post because my eyes glazed over after the third link. I do try to be fair. If you report something, one of us will address it. If you quote it, then you're just repeating it again for everyone else to see.

I'm a big Encore fan, but with its current powertrain, no it's not really a direct competitor to Q3

The Encore needs a bit more engine. Even the 1.6T would be a big improvement

What did I miss? I was in class all day yesterday. If something is an issue, report the post.

Condolences to his family. I wonder what the cause was.

Cadillac's V-Sport adds performance hardware and is not just a premium trim package, so they generally cost significantly more than the non-V-Sport model. The Platinums sell well though.

Not surprising. One in Four GMCs are usually Denalis. People like their premium packages.

Not relevant. California doesn't have power over the Federal level, so your original premise is flawed. If General Motors wishes to run away from the California market just like they did with the EU market, that's their choice. No one is saying any manufacturer has to sell in California. Years ago, a California car was a car with extra emissions control equipment that cost slightly more. What is the problem with going back to that model?

it's funny but it's true

Perhaps finding threads where you can say something nice instead.

Highly unlikely unless we manage to find a drop-in replacement for petroleum for everything. If we don't use oil in our cars, we'll still use it in our shampoo bottles... the price of oil won't drop so much that it will drop below the price per mile of Electric.

Exactly! Where are all the "states rights" conservatives on this one? This thread is by necessity going to get political. I'm encouraging everyone here to keep a level head discuss ideas, not people. TL:DR - Don't make it personal

XC40 T5 is not (yet) available as a PHEV, though it is coming. But yes, I did miss the GLCe. The point being, there isn't a lot of choice unless you really have the checkbook to support it. The Mitsu gets you there for a lot less. The GLC and XC40 are a lot smaller as well. The Outlander is bigger

I don't mind the exterior. I think they make it look sufficiently distinct. It's the interior I object to. If it had the off-road capability of a 4-runner or Wrangler like Mitsubishis of old did, I might overlook it.

PHEV + AWD + SUV. For those of us in the snow belt, AWD is a requirement. In the wintertime, AWD is the difference between getting out of my driveway or back up my street in the snow, or not. That means that few hybrids and even fewer PHEVs qualify for consideration even if one is interested in a PHEV. I have a genuine interest in getting a PHEV, but nearly any that I might want will be a compromise of some sort. I'd love an XC90 PHEV which checks all the boxes, but that is a $80k vehicle. The Outlander is much more attainable. 27 way seats verse 30 seats is less of a consideration.

I found the Bolt to be a real hoot to drive. It's got more giddyup than most of the mid-size class base 4-cylinders but not quite as much as the 2.0T and larger crowd, though with better low-end torque than all but the most extreme of Turbo-4s. ... a nice happy medium. I've said it before... put that powertrain in a LaX or Regal or CTS and I'm there.

Eh.. only on the seat part. Audi, Mercedes, and soon BMW all do twin-turbo 6es in full-size SUVs and having 27-way seats instead of 30 way isn't generally going to be a deal breaker (unless you're @smk4565). If you're looking for an AWD PHEV of any body style, the choices are few... if you're looking for an SUV specifically, the choices are Mitsubishi, two Volvos, and a BMW.

It's the only 3-row PHEV SUV with AWD available for that price. So if that's what you're looking for, it's a segment of one.</fin>

I've been looking forward to this. I think it will make the event double in side eventually. There could be a lot going on with classic cars too. I personally have been wanting to bring my Toronado to Detroit, but the weather always has a high chance of being terrible that I have yet to do it.

Reliability is an issue for Alfa. I wouldn't put either of their primary vehicles' interiors at an equal quality level to the Germans or even the latest Lincolns. Styling is subjective, but I find them a bit stark.

I have to admit I am also confused as to how this car fits in the Toyota lineup. It's not even attractive nor interesting.... maybe that's how.