Drew Dowdell
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How come they mostly don't make taller top gears for highway cruising.... especially when mated to these torquey engines? Edit: The 300C Hemi + 8-speed should be a whole new level of good..... -
Bring back TBI?
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Is the ZF 8-speed setup the same in the Chryslers?
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Who needs a Transit Connect when you can ride in Cadillac Cadillac Cadillac style?!
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The 2.0T isn't slated for the XTS for the US.... officially.... yet....
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I use an App called aCar to track everything about the Toronado including fuel economy.
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Still better than the Audi's weight distribution for AWD models.
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The XTS AWD is a firmer ride and an equal handler to the E-class, so no reason it can't get this engine.... though I expect it to be downrated for FWD duty. You know what might be hot though? SRX-V anyone?
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The old one wasn't either... but that one was almost always wrong. This one gets it right sometimes, but a lot of it you can blame on the manufacturers playing games.
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BTW, diesel cars tend to do way better than their EPA rating putting them at a marketing disadvantage in the real world against hybrids. I'm not sure why the EPA test screws with diesel cars so much..... when I had the diesel Passat and drove to Ann Arbor, I was doing arrest worthy speeds that cannot be mentioned public forum yet I still blew through the EPA rating on the way up there. I took it easy on the trip back and did even better. consumer reports is not neutral. More neutral than anything the automakers put out in their advertising. not so... CR has their own agenda and they don't provide crosstabs of the information they collect. I would trust something like Fuelly way more.
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consumer reports is not neutral.
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Part of me wonders how much playing of the system goes on out there. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that GM and Chrysler are underrating their engines on purpose. It would also not surprise me to hear that Honda, Toyota, Kia, and Hyundai play to the test specifically at the expense of real world numbers. Ford tried this with their hybrids to out hybrid Toyota and got their fingers burned. All Ford/Lincoln commercials now state very clearly "Your mileage may vary with driving style and conditions" VW is a mixed bag, but their DSG allows them to squeeze more efficiency out of otherwise mediocre performing engines (gas specifically). Ditto Nissan + CVT. I don't know that any one manufacturer has a specific advantage or disadvantage as it is more specific to the engine/transmission combo. However, the only cars that have consistently beaten their EPA numbers for me regardless of Engine/Transmission combo are the Chrysler LX cars and the Jeep GC/Dodge Durango.
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It seems to be inconsistent. Some EPA numbers are pessimistic (Pentastar V6/Hemi/ VW 2.0T) , some are optimistic (Ford Hybrids, Kia/Hyundai, Honda), some are right on (GM 2.0T, GM 3.6DI, Ford 3.7)
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Chrysler News: Chrysler To Give 2014 200 A Short Run
Drew Dowdell replied to William Maley's topic in Chrysler
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I'm betting the gearing of the 8-speed has more to do with it than anything. I didn't side step your question. I'm not sure what kind of fuel economy you're expecting a 3800lb car with 430 ft-lb of torque to get.... I'm betting the gearing of the 8-speed has more to do with it than anything. I didn't side step your question. I'm not sure what kind of fuel economy you're expecting a 3800lb car with 430 ft-lb of torque to get.... I expect it to be notably better than a Zeta Camaro. It will have noticeably better power delivery due to having lots of torque at lower rpm and more torque available while providing slightly better fuel economy. More power + lower RPM + slightly better fuel economy + beating the Germans on power and mpg = a big advancement. It's a 3.6 liter that is putting out more twist than a 6.2 liter and getting better fuel economy to boot.
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I'm betting the gearing of the 8-speed has more to do with it than anything. I didn't side step your question. I'm not sure what kind of fuel economy you're expecting a 3800lb car with 430 ft-lb of torque to get....
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It's a Cadillac. I expect them to beat the power output of BMW and Audi while also providing better fuel economy numbers than BMW/Audi/MB. If these announced numbers hold up, then they've done that. I don't think a 5.3 V8 would have been able to out power the crew from Deutschland and then the meme of "Cadillac's V8 can't even out power the V6 turbos from the Germans" would have popped up. Cadillac did what it needed to do. If Cadillac wants an Eco model... then they should do a diesel.... which they should do even if they DONT want an Eco model. Edit: This is GM's most power dense engine to date according to the press release. I don't see this engine lagging behind V8s or turbo-4s at all.... yet at the same time we also know that it can probably be dialed up higher for those who want even more performance. The 2.0 Ecotech was capable of 150 hp/liter with a GM chip... even approaching that would put the 3.6 over 540hp... which is CTS-V territory.
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Same point as before (the flat TQ curve). It's an issue of balance, and the scale is too far tipped toward performance IMO. That's true, of course. If a bit beside the point I'm making here. The point you are making has no point. The only point is how this engine competes w/ equivalent engines from the market competitors. That's simply absurd. Wait... too much performance?
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We don't know the power from the 5.3 liter V8 yet, but the 6.2 going into the Stingray is rated for 450 lb-ft torque at peak. That means this 3.6TT is within spitting distance of the Stingray's peak number. That also means that the 5.3's peak torque is unlikely to exceed the "90% of" number that the 3.6TT is providing.
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The advantage is this: At least 387 ft-lb on tap between 2500rpm - 5500rpm. A n/a 5.3 V8 would not provide that.
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Mmmm this in the XTS? I can't wait to get my hands on that one
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They make those already, I'm sure of it
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It is just a concept
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Well no... the Olds 307 lasted into the early 90s. Then Northstar was a Cadillac engine for 95% of its life and is still though of in that manner. The 90's LT-1 was thought of as a Chevy/Corvette engine (and still is if you look at ebay ads for Roadmasters or Fleetwoods).
