Blake Noble

I misread your post. My apologies.

"Dead And Bloated" - Stone Temple Pilots

All spy shots in this thread are of the same car. :AH-HA_wink: Anti-sentiments about GMI set aside here, GMI's Cobalt sedan from their "Revitalization In Action" project actually is close in some details in regard to some of the side sculpting on the upper portion of the car and a very small number of other details. Look at the spy shots in the link Toni posted and you will see what I mean.

True. But it seemed that, not too long ago, the participation in these forums was constantly on a level that we have seen when the 2008 Auto Show information was being posted. Then when auto show-related posts did get posted, things would just be constantly bustling.

Is it just me or has things really slowed down over the past few months? It seems we had an abundance of new posts being made back around November of last year. Now everything has slowed down to a trickle.

stone

Autoblog: "Pontiac El Cami-'NO'" The obvious has been stated Link to original Article @ Autoblog

Well, actually there are Pontiac buyers who will not go to Chevrolet. Those are the people who purchased the G8 and Solstice. There is no alternative in Chevrolet's line-up they could buy instead.

I echo the sentiments about the rather ungainly large opening in the front fascia, but I am enjoying the surfaces here.

I am very sorry to hear about your grandfather, NOS. My condolences.

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I would have to agree with you Camino in regards to what you have just said (especially what I have bolded). To tell the truth, the only reason as to why the Camaro really manages to hold my attention as well as it does is because that I have always aspired to own one since I was a kid, it speaks to me on a highly emotional level above everything else about the car; above the excellent design and what I know will be excellent driving dynamics. And it is built by one of my favorite automakers as well and I would like to support them if I could. If GM will not do what is right for itself and as well as doing what is right for their consumers and enthusiasts alike, then I will not regret leaving the company and giving my money to a company that is smart and deserving of it. I do not have sympathy for any sort of stupidity, regardless of circumstance. I only look upon it with pity. But I would be mournful that I had to leave the company that I intended on giving all of or at least a majority of my business to over the course of my lifetime. That is the sort of consumer every company aches for. And I would be very mournful to watch the one company that has had the biggest presence during my childhood, that company that I think truly gave me my enthusiasm for the automobile and automotive design, burn away into oblivion.

Outside of the Zeta F5 Camaro and the Alpha F6 Camaro afterwards there is nothing much of the way in cars at Chevy that could simply urge me to spend money on a car from that particular division. Pontiac has two really great products that do many things well and very few things wrong: the G8 and the Solstice in both of its forms. Those two cars are the foundations on which Pontiac should work itself up from. And it is those two cars that I would be seriously interested in right now if there was no F5 Camaro to hold my attention. Cadillac is out of my reach. Buick, while the new Invicta does look really nice, does nothing for me. And Saturn, while every product at that division is a very nice, quality-focused product, could only seriously get my business with the Sky. Saab is interesting, I will admit, but I do not know if I would spend money on a Saab product knowing that I could get into what I really want for that same amount of money. Pontiac is really the only division from GM out there that I can guarantee my business to should I want to buy something outside of the F5 Camaro or the NG compact pickups (provided that they are quality products next time around). And if the Alpha Pontiac G6 was already here, and nothing more than words on paper, well then I would have to say that chances are good that I might would actually find myself dining at the Waffle House in regards to the F5 Camaro. :AH-HA_wink: I might sound like I am just preaching to the choir here, but it is the truth. Well, if Pontiac does fade away, it seems that I will be buying a BMWs in the future to accompany my F5 and F6 Camaros.

Good to know that things are working well for you. I wish you the best of luck with your new girlfriend and your new car.

Pontiac should not have its sights aimed at Porsche. Honestly, they should not be directly aimed at BMW, either, but instead be aimed at BMW's principals and concepts. That is what is best for the brand.

jerky

You have made a wise choice, Big Pontiac. :AH-HA_wink:

Agreed.

I am calling this consolidated Sigma/Zeta platform "Omega" in regard to AH-HA's comment left here two years ago. And it sounds better than just referring to it as Sigma/Zeta. :AH-HA_wink:

Hmm ... think of the relationship between a 1987 Chevrolet Caprice and a 1987 Cadillac Brougham. I think the situation with the Cadillac Omegas in relation to lesser Omega cars will be similar. Hmm ... true. But then again, you hear the same things about Lexus as well (i.e. "It's just a overpriced Toyota"). So it is not like such ignorance would be exclusive to Cadillac.

Understood, XP. If I see anything else, I will certainly let you know! Alternatively, could you buy a long-wheelbase Chevy truck of that era and just install a set of reproduction bed panels? If so, I know where I could look for a long-wheelbase Chevy truck for such a project.

I do not think that the Omega cars will be so extremely similar as to where a dissenter could enthusiastically wave their "badge-engineering" flags. This will be platform-engineering, not badge-engineering. In a way, you could perhaps draw a small number of parallels between these upcoming Omega cars and the relationship between the old GM B-Body and D-Body cars, if I make sense here. The Cadillac Omega will not be the same car as the Buick Omega although they will be related. I said that, too, that it makes sense from a cost-perspective. So what are you trying to say here? As long the Omega cars are not blatant re-badges of one another, I do not mind this example of platform homogenization one bit. Yet another benefit of these Omega cars to be realized. :AH-HA_wink:

"Died" - Alice In Chains

The important thing we have learned from this news is that there is a future for rear-drive vehicles at General Motors, after the expiration of the Zeta and Sigma platforms. On a personal note, that is what really matters to me; seeing that great, globally competitive rear-drive vehicles do have a future at one of my favorite automakers. I would like to have the option of having at least one GM vehicle in my driveway for my lifetime. I also believe that Holden engineers could (and I stress that word) be involved with Alpha and Omega and that they are not just being shut out for those two projects. I have noticed that the Australians from GM Holden are finding work with other projects, like the new Invicta. And when it comes to rear-drive vehicles, Holden engineers are a fountain of knowledge regarding the matter; they have developed Zeta's first realization, VE, and have re-engineered various top-end, rear-drive Opels since 1978 multiple times. They focused a lot of their efforts on rear-drive just as GMNA and GME were abandoning it. It does not make total sense to shut them out. It could (again, stress on that word) be that GM Holden, instead of being a major branch of GM like GMNA or GME, is being fully incorporated and integrated into the two current main powerhouses of General Motors, GMNA and GME, and the resources from GM Holden are being spread out between the two. Just a thought.

Mack Thank you!