Sixty8panther

Octopus Griffon knows too much about Toyota, it makes me uneasy Thanks for the info. not that I care much about Toyo-DUR.

Damn... that is enought to ruin your holidays. Hollow points? You do not fu*k around do you?!?! Might as well, if they're worth shooting just blow them into small pieces of chum. Dead muggers/ pedophiles/car jackers can not file lawsuits against their victims who were trying to defend themselves, I believe in hollow points too.

Wow... now Ford passed away. Always in threes, huh?

VIKING, 1929 Oldsmobile LaSalle is to ---> Buick as Viking is to ---> Oldsmobile.

Playing safe is what got GM into dire straights to begin with. Time to pull out the stops... YES, I think they should certanly produce the SIXTEEN. And I also think Cadillac should make a BOF car... the frames are there for the trucks,why NOT the cars? Prove to me that Lincoln looses money on the Town Car.

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Tahnks again for all the 411, nope... there's other things I have to do first. like get around to that T.W.T.T. #58 thread and post Fly's answers.

Yes... think of F-body drag car frame connectors. And what Fly calls "whoring out" I call great marketing. (limousines ARE noticed and the general public looks on them highly) So why NOT take away commercial chassis sales from Lincoln? What do you have against Cadillac selling more cars?

This is my 3rd look at it... I still like it.

LOL... this thead warms my heart.

So you DO or DON'T agree with my assertion that if the 1996 Fleetwood Brougham had been redesigned with a hydroformed frame, & suspension greatly superior to the 2007 Town Car's, AND if it had received the 300 horsepower NorthStar matted to possibly an optional IRS and wrapped up in an elegant skin remeniscent of the Cadillacs that WERE world class like the 1950s classics (not neccesarily retro but along the lins of the SIXTEEN) then it would have sold FAR better than the Deville/DTS??? RWD + BOF construction did NOT hurt the Fleetwood Brougham... it's unoriginal design that did NOT differentiate it from the Deville and GM's lack of commitment to the B-body killed it. PICTURE THIS: It's fall of 1993 and an old gentleman walks into a Cadillac dealership to look at the new 1994 Cadillacs, he sees a brochure about the hyped up and technologically impressive 32valve DOHC Northstar V8 and then he is told the Deville is THE flagship for the Cadillac brand and that the F.B. is basically a Caprice with more luxurios leather and a carriage top.... which do you think he BUYS baed on the Cadillac sales associate's description of the two vehicles? Do you think that the F.B.'s RWD or BOF construction turned him off to the B-body??? Or is it perhaps that the F.B. which lacked the marketing & "newer-better-redesigned...." hype of the Deville was cast off as a second class citizen in an era when the stupid media thought DHOC= better bulletproof pushrod V8s =obsolete? Femenine unibody car = good, Big, brutish land yacht built like a tank = bad..... FWD= future RWD = fogoten past?..... The media, GM's cookie executives & the uneducated public all played their roles in killing the B-body.

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Serioulsy dude... either go B-body wagon or keep the 'Burban. What happened to the Suburban anyway? Why the sudden change of heart?

Kool, enjoy!

Yes... this should hacve happened like 4 years ago! Esp. a 2 door (pillarless) hardtop coupe. If a RWD Fleetwood Brougham style Caddy still existed as the FLAGSHIP to Cadillac(and not as the second fiddle to the Northstar powered DTS) then it would BY FAR outsell the DTS AND STS.... I'd bet my LIFE on this. Oh yeah... becuase at $200,000 it would be out of the price range of all those Rap Stars, Actors & musicians that shell out $300,000 for an unimpressive, RR, Bentley or Maybach. The Sixteen is superior in styling, performance & the bling-bling factor to any & all exotics approaching 0.2 million $$$. This is a STUPID move. We're talking about CADILLAC here... as in "the Cadillac of American cars" not some pathetic$hitty Avalon clone made by a company specializing in 3/5 door hatchback econoboxes!!! I already predicted that, I've been saying it for years. Several months ago I asked you guys to ponder this very question. http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...c=3867&st=0

Toyota (they made sewing machines before cars)

Thanks for the laugh dude... I needed it. Work has been stressfull today. All joking aside, RR should have died long before Packard, Hudson & Imperial did.

The more I see it the more I like it. This is actually a very unorthodox design. I wish I could say it looks super-fugly to me cause it's a Toyota but I'm not as biased as smoe might think & truth be told this car looks VERY interesting to me. Kind of like a less chunky and awkward Mazda RX7. The nose is very fluid and I love the scoops & heat extractors built into the fenders... it's also trying to immitate a Formla 1 car up front but unlike most recent cars that have tried before & failed this time it works. it's got a few very-subtle touches like the black "hood bulge" that reminds me of the 1970s Mopar shaker scoop (pentagon) and the 2nd gen. firebird/TA shakers. I like the razor-edge sculpting and honestly I wish this was a Pontiac instead of a Toyota. Give it a more orthodox greenhouse, add a few inches to the wheel-base, drop in an LS2/tremec 6-speed and call it a Firebird Trans Am.

It's not only sweedish but it's TURBO.... as in turbo-DIESEL *A'ight!* and it's a inline-6... This website is another opportunity to laugh... or cringe. http://www.cdps.k12.ms.us/chs/telef026/02/WORK.HTM

Damn I gotta gete around to these new sigs soon! Sorry for the wait guys. Now I had to post this here... with the exception of a 1931 Cadillac V16 Dual Cowl Phaeton and perhaps a 1932 Duesenberg SJ roadster this is the most awsome car I have ever seen in my life. It is the DEFINITION of a TIGHT WHIP. I want it, baaaadd. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ready...? - - - - - - - - - -- - - - - - - - - - wait for it... - - - - - - - - - - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Volvo-740-V...067138535QQrdZ1

Great idea GMTG.

Honestly... I rather like it. It's different, bold and stands out. Much better than all the bland Toyotas as of late. The only real gripe I have is the greenhouse... those angled roofs that flow into the C-pillar are very hard to execute without looking cheesy or like something on a Hot Wheels car. Still I have to say this is a very interesting design and it's gutsy. Being a Toyota though it's still bound to be watered down and made inot a cookie cutter coupe by the time it hits showrooms.

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Damn that's cool.

I love those rims, they look substantial, beefy and elegantly simplsitic. Rims are suposed to add to a car's good looks not take away from them via distraction. I agree about the spindly comment by balthazar. We've all got our tastes btu those Acura rims are godawful from even a practical standpoint: cleaning them must me fun with all those nooks & cranies... no thanks if you as me. Oh... & the Cobalt's a better looking car than the Honda RSX anyday!