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    Ford Performance Considers RS Versions of their Crossovers


    • Ford Performance + Crossover = ?

    It is unlikely that the Focus RS will be the only Ford model sporting the RS badge, although which models will follow have been up for debate. The chief of Ford Performance has hinted that the brand's crossovers could go under the RS treatment.

    "I think customers love performance. I think the definition of what that means for an SUV might be different than what it means for a Focus or for a Fiesta. But I think that we’ve seen, even in the US and globally, that people like aggressive-looking cars, they like sporty, they want the power and pick-up and engine improvement, so I think the answer is yes. SUV customers would appreciate performance, for sure," said Dave Pericak, head of Ford Performance to Car Dealer Magazine.

    Pericak goes on to say that he believes there are "no real credible (performance SUVs)." (Though we are sure the likes of BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Porsche would like to have a conversation with him about this -WM).

    "If you look at the SUV market right now, there aren’t too many credible performance SUVs out there. here are people who have made partial attempts at it and there are different things that have happened, but there are no real credible ones. So, I think that’s an area of some opportunity, for sure."

    Car Dealer Magazine speculates that the Kuga (Escape to us) could be the most likely candidate, followed by the EcoSport and Edge.

    Source: Car Dealer Magazine



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    I agree, there are no real credible Performance SUV's. My Chevy Trailblazer AWD SS was the the last of real performance SUV's and before that was the GMC Typhoon.

    Sorry but the AMG and M series lack so much. Close is the Durango and GC SRT.

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    20 minutes ago, dfelt said:

    I agree, there are no real credible Performance SUV's.  

    Cayenne Turbo S...zero to 60 in 3.8 sec, 570hp.. not exactly lacking in the performance department. 

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    Easy for him to say when they haven't made an attempt.   Lets see him come close to the Porsche offerings in performance and refinement for daily use.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    They could do something outrageous like an Expedition Shelby GT350.   Use the same engine, offer a Track Pack..

    Which would be a great opportunity for Chevy to release ZL1-spec Tahoes and Suburbans... ;)

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    10 minutes ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    They could do something outrageous like an Expedition Shelby GT350.   Use the same engine, offer a Track Pack..

    Which would be a great opportunity for Chevy to release ZL1-spec Tahoes and Suburbans... ;)

    Nothing like Supercharged Small Block V8 Awesomeness! :metal: 

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    I have been saying for a couple years that Cadillac needs performance crossovers.  This market is about to be the next one to explode , because he is right in people want performance, people like aggressive and sporty looking vehicles.  People bought Camaros, Mustangs, M3's, SS Chevy's and all that stuff in the 90s and 2000s.  There were Regal GS, Grand Prix GTP, Taurus SHO, etc.  They were making performance oriented family sedans.  Now everyone wants crossovers, but I think they'll still want performance variants once they are offered.  Just because buyers abandoned coupes and are now abandoning sedans, doesn't mean they don't still like power.

    Where this guys is delusional is in saying there aren't any credible performance crossovers, because the Tesla Model X does 0-60 faster than a Ford GT.  Porsche has the Macan and Cayenne as mentioned above, BMW the X5, Jaguar the F-pace with 380 hp and soon to be 500 hp, Alfa Romeo has a 505 hp SUV, and AMG has like 5 or 6.  He needs to get out a bit more and look at what is going on in the market.  If he'd like to clarify and say none of the EcoSport, Escape or Edge competitors have performance variants, then I am all for that.

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    Mercedes-Benz-ML55_AMG-2000-1600-03.jpg

    Performance crossover started in late 1999 with this equipped with a 342 hp, 376 lb-ft torque V8 (a Corvette that year was 345 hp, 350 lb-ft).  Mercedes invented the performance crossover now nearly 20 years later, Audi, BMW, Ford, and who knows who else all want to jump on the band wagon.  

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    15 hours ago, dfelt said:

    I agree, there are no real credible Performance SUV's. My Chevy Trailblazer AWD SS was the the last of real performance SUV's and before that was the GMC Typhoon.

    Sorry but the AMG and M series lack so much. Close is the Durango and GC SRT.

    Up, the GC ST8, upcoming Durango SRT, GC Trackhawk, the Mercedes AMG, Porsche,  and BMW M badged SUVs would simply tear a trailblazer SS apart in every performance measure.  Hell, the 1st gen GC SRT8 that was sold alongside the TB SS was a better performer......

    Anyways, this makes total sense.  CUV/SUVs are the current trend and they would probably sell every one they could build. 

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    52 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Up, the GC ST8, upcoming Durango SRT, GC Trackhawk, the Mercedes AMG, Porsche,  and BMW M badged SUVs would simply tear a trailblazer SS apart in every performance measure.  Hell, the 1st gen GC SRT8 that was sold alongside the TB SS was a better performer......

    Anyways, this makes total sense.  CUV/SUVs are the current trend and they would probably sell every one they could build. 

    Very true, that is why GM needs to bring back a modern TB SS and Typhoon to keep everyone on their Toes! :metal: 

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    1 hour ago, Stew said:

    Up, the GC ST8, upcoming Durango SRT, GC Trackhawk, the Mercedes AMG, Porsche,  and BMW M badged SUVs would simply tear a trailblazer SS apart in every performance measure.  Hell, the 1st gen GC SRT8 that was sold alongside the TB SS was a better performer......

    Anyways, this makes total sense.  CUV/SUVs are the current trend and they would probably sell every one they could build. 

    About the Trailblazer SS...

    It could actually um...tow. You know, the UTILITY part in the Sport Utility Vehicle nomenclature.

    The GC SRT8 in 2005/2006 was not able to haul shyte. Just ass!

    I have no idea what the GC SRT 8 and Trailhawk does today with the Porsche Cayenne Turbo S in the towing department, but I do know the Mercedes AMG and the BMW X5M and X6M tow shyte! The regular BMW X5 and X6 hardly tows!

    So...all these performance SUVs...will they actually be doing any hard work?

    Or are they only badge accomplishments with performance numbers that could be bettered with cars sold to idiot badge snobs that think they are safer in SUVs and FALSELY calling themselves "car enthusiasts"!

    YES! YES!

    They are REAL car enthusiasts that APPRECIATE performance oriented trucks and SUVs...

    I AM ONE OF THESE TYPES!

    PS: The Typhoon and Syclone SUVs were the first, @smk4565

    Dodge actually had the 'Lil Red Express truck in the '70s to replace the muscle car offerings, so the idea was there 30 years BEFORE Mercedes Benz!

     

     

     

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    I think the modern SRTs are like 5000+ pounds for towing?  i will need to double check.  Still, the Typhoon couldn't tow either, but damn were they fun to drive!

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    30 minutes ago, Stew said:

    I think the modern SRTs are like 5000+ pounds for towing?  i will need to double check.  Still, the Typhoon couldn't tow either, but damn were they fun to drive!

    Thanx for the info on the MODERN SRT!

    I thought so that it could tow.

    The Porsche Cayenne is where Im in awe! Why? Because it hauls ass, its a VERY GOOD off-roader and I THINK it even tows DECENTLY! It does all 3! EΧΑCTLY what a performance SUV SHOULD be doing!

    The GMC offerings failed in the market place because they were the first (actually 2nd) performance trucks and SUVs and becuase they couldnt do what trucks should be doin' in the first place, people were confused with their purpose.

    Like I said, today, we are accustomed to these, but, if a performance automotive enthusiast wants REAL speed and handling, the car is still the performance champion. Why? PHYSICS!

    Its cool that Ford and M-B and Porsche and BMW and Audi and Bentley and others want to offer us these, how successful will these be anyway?

    Its a niche of a niche...

    Performance machines of any kind dont really sell in high numbers.

    SUVs sell, but to soccer moms and dads.

    Dads that love speed still buy Porsche 911s by the ton load!

    Fake badge "enthusiasts" buy AMG or M.  ESPECIALLY the SUVs.

    About Ford doing a RS Escape to attract soccer dad?

    If soccer dad was not enticed by a sedan in the first place, good luck in selling a Escape RS to him!

     

     

     

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    18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

    Typhoon and Cyclone were body on frame.  They were the first performance trucks.  Mercedes had the first performance crossover.  

    SEMANTICS!

    To me, CUVs and SUVs that are family grocery getters like the Mercedes-Benz ML, or the MODERN TAHOE, BOF or UNIBODY, they are really just tall STATION WAGONs!

    The Audi Quattro in the 1980s and the AMC Eagle wagon are the precursors to what we call crossovers toady that offer AWD or 4x4!   Blend in an Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser 455 with the Lil Red Express Dodge, both BOF and this is why we had BOF Syclones and Trailblazer SS and Dodge Ram SRT-10s and Ford Lightnings and Unibody Grand Cherokee SRT8s, Porsche Cayennes and M-L AMGs!

    Like muscle cars, this is an evolutionary process that started several decades, not just one specific model on a singular model year!

     

     

     

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    Ford saying there have been no credible performance SUV's??? Lol, that's just rich.

    Aren't these guys having legal action taken against them for their track-oriented sports cars having tranny overheating issues??

     

    Talk about looking like a damn fool.

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    1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

    Typhoon and Cyclone were body on frame.  They were the first performance trucks.  Mercedes had the first performance crossover.  

    Distinction without a difference. Mercedes did not invent the idea of putting a high performance engine in a plebian model... Not by a longshot..

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    You could buy a Dodge Ramcharger with AWD & a 440 in 1974.
    Yeah, naturally the power levels were down by '74 (only rated at 350 TRQ), but upping that was easy.

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    18 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes-Benz-ML55_AMG-2000-1600-03.jpg

    Performance crossover started in late 1999 with this equipped with a 342 hp, 376 lb-ft torque V8 (a Corvette that year was 345 hp, 350 lb-ft).  Mercedes invented the performance crossover now nearly 20 years later, Audi, BMW, Ford, and who knows who else all want to jump on the band wagon.  

    WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

    1992 GMC Typhoon AWD

    http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a26217/1992-gmc-typhoon-first-drive-flashback/

    Before this the little Red Truck by Dodge!

    Learn your performance history! American Auto companies were doing performance way before MB even figured out how to do luxury!

    2003 Chevrolet did their SS AWD & 2wd trucks that could do performance and still haul like a real truck.

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    On 3/24/2017 at 3:54 PM, dfelt said:

    I agree, there are no real credible Performance SUV's. My Chevy Trailblazer AWD SS was the the last of real performance SUV's and before that was the GMC Typhoon.

    Sorry but the AMG and M series lack so much. Close is the Durango and GC SRT.

    The AMG Mercedes lack something? Maybe a little off road-mess but they have balls out the ass. 

    On 3/24/2017 at 4:20 PM, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    They could do something outrageous like an Expedition Shelby GT350.   Use the same engine, offer a Track Pack..

    Which would be a great opportunity for Chevy to release ZL1-spec Tahoes and Suburbans... ;)

    Terrible engine choice for a massive vehicle.. lack of torque. It would sound glorious though. 

    21 hours ago, smk4565 said:

    Mercedes-Benz-ML55_AMG-2000-1600-03.jpg

    Performance crossover started in late 1999 with this equipped with a 342 hp, 376 lb-ft torque V8 (a Corvette that year was 345 hp, 350 lb-ft).  Mercedes invented the performance crossover now nearly 20 years later, Audi, BMW, Ford, and who knows who else all want to jump on the band wagon.  

    They've had the AMG G Wagen for like 15 years already, haven't they?

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    For what it's worth the Range Rover Sport Superchaeged can tow 7700lbs @ 500hp 

    The big Rover S/C can as well. 

    Edited by ccap41

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    4 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

     

    650lb-ft is 'lack of torque'?   

    I assumed when you said "GT350" you meant 5.2 which is something like 470lb-ft but needs revs badly to do that. 

    Are you talking about the old s/c 5.8?

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    16 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

    I assumed when you said "GT350" you meant 5.2 which is something like 470lb-ft but needs revs badly to do that. 

    Are you talking about the old s/c 5.8?

    I thought you meant the Camaro ZL1 spec in the comment you quoted.    The Shelby 5.2 has 429ft lbs of torque, which is plenty enough for a sporty SUV....not talking about towing capacity torque.

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    2 hours ago, Cubical-aka-Moltar said:

    I thought you meant the Camaro ZL1 spec in the comment you quoted.    The Shelby 5.2 has 429ft lbs of torque, which is plenty enough for a sporty SUV....not talking about towing capacity torque.

    Ohhhh I gotcha. 

    429ft lbs is sufficient but it needs too many revs for a daily driver, which an SUV would be. Don't get me wrong, I'd still love it but I'd think there are better options. Well, maybe not in their current stable but a turbo 5.0 would be nice or whatever they throw in the upcoming GT500. 

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