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    Spying: Ford F-150 Diesel Caught On Video


    • The Ford F-150 Diesel, Now On Video

    Last month, we reported that Ford is currently testing a diesel engine for the F-150. Pictures at the time showed a unique exhaust tip (a Venturi exhaust tip that serves a cooler for after treatment systems) and the photographer mentioned hearing the distinctive clatter of a diesel engine. But pictures can only tell so much. Wouldn't it be nice if we had audio or video evidence?

    Guess what? AutoGuide got a video from a spy photographer who was following an F-150 mule out on the public. The video provides audible evidence that a diesel engine is under the hood.

    As we reported last month, the engine in question is a turbocharged 3.0L V6 that is under the hood of the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport Td6. Power is rated at 254 horsepower and 440 pound-feet of torque. AutoGuide speculates that the diesel could be paired with a new ten-speed automatic.

    The diesel engine is expected to join the F-150 sometime next year.

    Source: AutoGuide.com

     

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    Hate to say it but FAILURE in my book. Duramax has proven that you DO NOT need a Noisy Clattering engine to provide power. Diesel engines should be whisper quiet even in trucks. This sounds like 1980's technology rather than 21st century technology.

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    Hopefully Ford doesn't get caught up in any diesel emission issues that are plaguing some others

     

    Considering this engine is being used in the Range Rover and they are on sale at the moment, Ford should not have any problems.

     

     

    Hate to say it but FAILURE in my book. Duramax has proven that you DO NOT need a Noisy Clattering engine to provide power. Diesel engines should be whisper quiet even in trucks. This sounds like 1980's technology rather than 21st century technology.

     

    This is still being tested. I'm guessing Ford will begin NVH work sometime soon with this engine.

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    Hopefully Ford doesn't get caught up in any diesel emission issues that are plaguing some others

     

    Considering this engine is being used in the Range Rover and they are on sale at the moment, Ford should not have any problems.

     

     

    Hate to say it but FAILURE in my book. Duramax has proven that you DO NOT need a Noisy Clattering engine to provide power. Diesel engines should be whisper quiet even in trucks. This sounds like 1980's technology rather than 21st century technology.

     

    This is still being tested. I'm guessing Ford will begin NVH work sometime soon with this engine.

     

    It was meant as more "tongue in cheek" given that this has been brought up by Ford fans as being a potential issue for other manufacturers. :globe:

     

    And saying that it is used in the Range Rover is not exactly a convincing argument for me. Of course I can't stand LR anyway. They are all overpriced/underpowered and unreliable junk IMO. 

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    NVH work has to be done up front, not after the fact.  A stout block and head structure can probably reduce NVH by ~10%, but the main contributor to noise reduction (mostly at idle speeds) is the use of expensive Piezo injectors capable of multiple injections due to their speed.  But they cost dearly, like $50-100 extra per.  They can reduce NVH by ~ 30%.  Another 10% or so can be reduced with generous dosage of insulation, shields, etc.  That's it. There is no other way to reduce the sounds emitted from a compression ignition process.

     

    Curious how this will sell.  Can't imagine a high take rate, probably in the low single percent digits. Maybe worst with all the Diesel backlash.  But, they are far enough along that they need to follow through.

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    Agree that no matter what the current impression is with diesel that FORD is far enough along to finish it and take it to market. Be interesting to see if they have the success rate that Ram has had with a small diesel or not and if it stays as noisy as it currently is.

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    I'm curious about the price/cost to the customer. That was the biggest thing I ridiculed the Ram for was how it was more expensive than the 5,7 option making it not really a viable way to save money unless there was a form of incentive or the driver does A LOT of driving over the next 10 years. 

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    Stick a mic a few feet from any Diesel truck exhaust tip while accelerating, and that is what you hear.

    This is no louder than the competition.

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    Curious how this will sell.  Can't imagine a high take rate, probably in the low single percent digits. Maybe worst with all the Diesel backlash.  But, they are far enough along that they need to follow through.

     

    I think the diesel backlash affects more of the cars than trucks. At least with trucks, you have the benefit of added towing capacity.

     

    As for sales, I would be surprised if it around 10 percent or slightly less. But if the Ram EcoDiesel is still a strong seller.

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    I think the diesel backlash affects more of the cars than trucks. At least with trucks, you have the benefit of added towing capacity.

     

    As for sales, I would be surprised if it around 10 percent or slightly less. But if the Ram EcoDiesel is still a strong seller.

     

    True but the Eco-Diesel, from what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), has seen its sales slipping and I think price is the biggest reason for that. After the hype (i.e. initial demand that led to those strong sales numbers) of it wore off, I think it sits in single digits as far as percentages go. However, I still think it is a good idea for Ford, RAM, and the GM twins (and their mid-size twins) to offer diesel as an option. They just have to be mindful of the price though, especially given the low fuel prices right now (although we all know that could be different in a year or two). That is where the struggle will come from.

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    I think the diesel backlash affects more of the cars than trucks. At least with trucks, you have the benefit of added towing capacity.

     

    As for sales, I would be surprised if it around 10 percent or slightly less. But if the Ram EcoDiesel is still a strong seller.

     

    True but the Eco-Diesel, from what I understand (and correct me if I'm wrong), has seen its sales slipping and I think price is the biggest reason for that. After the hype (i.e. initial demand that led to those strong sales numbers) of it wore off, I think it sits in single digits as far as percentages go. However, I still think it is a good idea for Ford, RAM, and the GM twins (and their mid-size twins) to offer diesel as an option. They just have to be mindful of the price though, especially given the low fuel prices right now (although we all know that could be different in a year or two). That is where the struggle will come from.

     

     

    I believe you are correct if the price you are referring to is diesel fuel.

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    Curious how this will sell. Can't imagine a high take rate, probably in the low single percent digits. Maybe worst with all the Diesel backlash. But, they are far enough along that they need to follow through.

    I think the diesel backlash affects more of the cars than trucks. At least with trucks, you have the benefit of added towing capacity.

    As for sales, I would be surprised if it around 10 percent or slightly less. But if the Ram EcoDiesel is still a strong seller.

    I'm loving mine. 24,000km on it in six months. It helps that diesel is about 35 cents per gallon cheaper right now in Alberta. Edited by El Kabong
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    Stick a mic a few feet from any Diesel truck exhaust tip while accelerating, and that is what you hear.

    This is no louder than the competition.

     

    Nope have to disagree with you, PowerStrokes have been the noisiest then the Cummuns and the Duramax has been the quietest. Many times at idle you do not even realize it is a diesel and in the video at idle you can hear this clacking away.

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    Well, I think it's really more of a product segmentation/differentiation issue.

     

    Maybe a louder clatter fits in line with "Built Ford Tough"?

     

    I dunno, It's not like it's too difficult for a diesel clatter to be mitigated. If it is the same kind of diesel found in Land Rovers....well, I hope it's got Ford reliability, not J&L reliability.

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    Like I said, idle can be mitigated with the latest injectors, but they all sound about the same under load.

     

    And as far as idling quietness, that comes down to truck insulation.  

     

    Anyway, 

     

    Ford is quieter on the highway under load.

     

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