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    Quick Drive: Alfa Romeo Giulia Ti Sport Q4

      Not perfect, but quirky in an Italian way.

    This short drive, I drove something I didn’t think I ever would. It wasn't a six-figure super car that can do over 200 mph. No, I never thought I would be driving a modern Alfa Romeo in the United States. For the last 10 years, only two Alfa Romeos have made it to our shores carrying ridiculous price tags. Now, Alfa Romeo is taking a stand with its new Giulia sedan and it’s not what I expected.

    That isn’t a bad thing. What I expected was the same old stereotype of every Italian sedan. Beautiful design and leather, electronics that don’t work and eventually can’t keep up with the Germans. In terms of style, the Giulia isn’t actually pretty. In fact, I would say it seems a bit tame. I understand why they would stay a bit conservative coming back into the market, and the styling cues on the top-of-the-line Quadrifoglio are more dramatic. The front end is classic Alfa Romeo with its upside-down triangle grill.

    Hop inside and the first thing you see is a rather large steering wheel. Alfa probably figured that if Ferrari puts their start/stop button on their steering wheel, why shouldn’t they? The gauges are large and clear as is the 8.8” widescreen display right next to them. Place your hand behind the shifter and a large disc controls that display similar to the systems in Mercedes-Benz and BMW. Sadly, while everything in the front of the cabin feels modern, the navigation system looks like it came from the early 2000s. The graphics aren’t quite as detailed as its rivals but the system does work well .

    Once you turn the Giulia on, the magic starts to happen. The steering is sharp and direct. Stomp on the gas pedal and the 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four sounds fantastic. The engine produces 280 horsepower and 306 lb-ft of torque at 2,000 rpm. Combine this with both all-wheel-drive and an 8-speed automatic, Alfa claims 60mph will be hit in around the 5 second mark. While driving the car, you get the feeling that the spark is really coming back with Alfa Romeo. No longer do you have to pine for an Italian vehicle that is usable but not too quirky like a Fiat. Shifting gears can be done with the oversized paddle shifters or with the gear selector. I found the paddle shifters to be a bit too big but they worked well.

    While driving, you will notice a rotary nob with “DNA” on it. D is for Dynamic, N is for Natural, and A is for Advanced Efficiency. Since the weather was dry, I did half of my drive in Normal and half in Dynamic. If this was my vehicle, I would keep it in Dynamic at all times since Dynamic has a sharper throttle and a more robust exhaust note. As for efficiency, the two-liter engine is rated at 22 mpg city and 31 mpg highway.

    This particular Alfa Romeo did have a few features worth mentioning. First is the 900-watt Harmon/Kardon 14-speaker sound system. There also was a panoramic sunroof (which in my tester was broken. Not a good sign before driving it). It also had the Driver Assistance Dynamic and Driver Assistance Static Packages. Dynamic gets you adaptive cruise control, automatic high beam headlight control, and forward collision warning. Static gets you blind spot monitoring and cross pass detection. There were also the beautiful 19” wheels which made my test car look great.

    I left my drive wondering how this will do against competition. Pin it against German rivals and I think the Giulia can go blow-for-blow against them. It may not have all the safety of a Mercedes or a complex all-wheel-drive system of an Audi, but the way that it drives, stops, and corners makes up for it. Finally, we have an Italian sedan that is attainable. Hopefully it doesn't suffer from "Alfa-itus" of older Alfa Romeos.

    Photo courtesy of FCA Media

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    " As I coasted to a stop at the light, the Alfa’s stop/start system shut the engine off and simply never came back on, no matter what I tried—or how loud the cars behind me honked ".

    " If you’re still on the fence, do as our Big Test suggests and lease first. But no matter what, get AAA. "

     

     

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    12 minutes ago, FordCosworth said:

    " As I coasted to a stop at the light, the Alfa’s stop/start system shut the engine off and simply never came back on, no matter what I tried—or how loud the cars behind me honked ".

    " If you’re still on the fence, do as our Big Test suggests and lease first. But no matter what, get AAA. "

     

     

    And on this rare occasion, we are in agreement lol. 

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    LOL...AND IT BEGINS!...wait..again...still..

    "As I coasted to a stop at the light, the Alfa’s stop/start system shut the engine off and simply never came back on, no matter what I tried—or how loud the cars behind me honked. I was stranded, and FCA’s roadside-assistance operators, kind and professional as they were, couldn’t help. They didn’t quite understand the need for a flatbed tow truck with special wheel jacks even though I repeatedly explained that the Quadrifoglio was completely bricked and the drive-by-wire transmission would not shift out of park. A regular tow truck wouldn’t suffice; even if it could get its rear-arm “stinger” under the car, lifting it by the hindquarters would only smash the front bumper into the ground."

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    "Moral of this story? Well, if you’re of the eye-rolling “Italian reliability” sensibility, that is understandable, but this is a data set of one. The base Giulia we had in The Big Test never missed a beat. If you’re still on the fence, do as our Big Test suggests and lease first. But no matter what, get AAA."

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-luck-of-the-half-irish/

     

     

     

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    And one can try to bring up cars like the Vette but there is a big difference between a two of the same model high performance car  having the exact same problem and four different cars of the same model having four (and sometimes more) problems. One problem is easier to fix than four or more is the point here. 

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    4 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

    And one can try to bring up cars like the Vette but there is a big difference between a two of the same model high performance car  having the exact same problem and four different cars of the same model having four (and sometimes more) problems. One problem is easier to fix than four or more is the point here. 

    Yep.. I agree.. if it was all the same problem I'd be less harsh as it could easily be one faulty part but when the issues are spread around I feel like it's just more of the same old Alfa. 

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    On 3/17/2017 at 2:00 PM, ccap41 said:

    LOL...AND IT BEGINS!...wait..again...still..

    "As I coasted to a stop at the light, the Alfa’s stop/start system shut the engine off and simply never came back on, no matter what I tried—or how loud the cars behind me honked. I was stranded, and FCA’s roadside-assistance operators, kind and professional as they were, couldn’t help. They didn’t quite understand the need for a flatbed tow truck with special wheel jacks even though I repeatedly explained that the Quadrifoglio was completely bricked and the drive-by-wire transmission would not shift out of park. A regular tow truck wouldn’t suffice; even if it could get its rear-arm “stinger” under the car, lifting it by the hindquarters would only smash the front bumper into the ground."

    ...

    "Moral of this story? Well, if you’re of the eye-rolling “Italian reliability” sensibility, that is understandable, but this is a data set of one. The base Giulia we had in The Big Test never missed a beat. If you’re still on the fence, do as our Big Test suggests and lease first. But no matter what, get AAA."

    http://www.motortrend.com/news/alfa-romeo-giulia-quadrifoglio-luck-of-the-half-irish/

     

     

     

    @surreal1272 @dfelt @Stew

    And the one in the big test had no issues.  Again, first year models, any car suffer.  13 Escapes and Focuses suffered issue after issue and recall after recall, and yes, the Vette issue IS relevant because like the Alfa, it is low production.  And it is certainly comparable to the ATS which my brother's, BTW, started throwing codes again this weekend.  Of course it isn't a first year model and these kind of glitches should have been worked out at least before the 3rd model year.  Again, you can't damn one manufacturer and ignore the rest because it suits your needs at the time........

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    19 minutes ago, Stew said:

    And the one in the big test had no issues.  Again, first year models, any car suffer.  13 Escapes and Focuses suffered issue after issue and recall after recall, and yes, the Vette issue IS relevant because like the Alfa, it is low production.  And it is certainly comparable to the ATS which my brother's, BTW, started throwing codes again this weekend.  Of course it isn't a first year model and these kind of glitches should have been worked out at least before the 3rd model year.  Again, you can't damn one manufacturer and ignore the rest because it suits your needs at the time........

    Dude.. all I can say about U is that U seriously have issues... I personally can't say whether U are lying about your brother's ATS or not.. but even still.. even if it has had all these issues.. the vast majority of ATS's have not had any.. furthermore for the ONE person U site as having issues.. I can sit about 13 people who own the ATS.. and about 7 more who own the CTS in my own circle.. who have not had an issue once in their 4 or less years of ownership. Also.. are U really trying to justify a car that goes into DEATH MODE simply because its associated by name only.. with Chrysler.. your fav? Be honest.. if Sergio had of never gotten Chrysler and FCA was not est.. would U even care??? I doubt it. Look. If GM bought Hyundai tomorrow..  I wouldn't start loving Hyundai suddenly. It would take bout 20 years. 

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    On 3/17/2017 at 10:19 AM, Drew Dowdell said:

    The 500 is a reliability dog, I know, but that doesn't mean the entire company is like that. 

    according to JD Power.. and every damn person I kno with a Fiat, including a cat who purchased a 124 just two months ago.. who's engine died... they are "GOD DAMN POS THAT I WOULD SET ON FIRE IF I COULD ET AWAY WITH IT"   :lol:  His words.. my laughter.

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    45 minutes ago, Stew said:

    And the one in the big test had no issues.  Again, first year models, any car suffer.  13 Escapes and Focuses suffered issue after issue and recall after recall, and yes, the Vette issue IS relevant because like the Alfa, it is low production.  And it is certainly comparable to the ATS which my brother's, BTW, started throwing codes again this weekend.  Of course it isn't a first year model and these kind of glitches should have been worked out at least before the 3rd model year.  Again, you can't damn one manufacturer and ignore the rest because it suits your needs at the time........

    Not even comparable in any way, and the reasons given have been plenty and valid. That dead horse has been beaten quite enough though so I guess when the next Alfa takes a dump during a test drive, we will just keep attributing to first year hiccups while giving more established models like the 500 a pass because they are on an "old platform".

     

    That is the automotive version of Stockholm syndrome, for the record. 

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    On 3/20/2017 at 9:48 AM, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Dude.. all I can say about U is that U seriously have issues... I personally can't say whether U are lying about your brother's ATS or not.. but even still.. even if it has had all these issues.. the vast majority of ATS's have not had any.. furthermore for the ONE person U site as having issues.. I can sit about 13 people who own the ATS.. and about 7 more who own the CTS in my own circle.. who have not had an issue once in their 4 or less years of ownership. Also.. are U really trying to justify a car that goes into DEATH MODE simply because its associated by name only.. with Chrysler.. your fav? Be honest.. if Sergio had of never gotten Chrysler and FCA was not est.. would U even care??? I doubt it. Look. If GM bought Hyundai tomorrow..  I wouldn't start loving Hyundai suddenly. It would take bout 20 years. 

    You know I have stood up for GM and owned more GM than anything so your assertion is totally off base.  And yes, he has had these issues and his 09 CTS was worse (Sunroof and trunk leaks, AWD failure, and a wiring issue that caused his ABS to malfunction and actually caused him to get into an accident).  And i know many people who have had Cadillacs and swore them off because of issues.  more than likely you either don't know about your friends issues ar, like you accuse me of, are lying.  Cadillac has issues and that is part of the reason their sales pretty much suck right now.  It is a shame too, because the style, design, and drive are first rate.  My point is, there is no real proof that Alfa is going to be unreliable once they get past their first year.  Believe me, i have owned, and actually own 2 first year products (the Beetle and the Silverado (OH $h!!  I OWN A GM!!!!)  and they have their first year issues.  For the Beetle it is window issue, the Silverado, pinging 5.3.  My 97 F-150 rusted in 2. (literally, the frame split along the middle, same with the Silverado b ut not quite that bad).  Now, my Patriot was a first year model and it was probably the most reliable vehicle I have owned.  Bought it with 300 miles and sold with 126k miles.  Only had to do normal maintenance and front ball joints (did a lot of off0road in it).  So, before you make accusations look at yourself.  if it was GM offering this, you would be singing their praises and how it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  We all know this. 

    On 3/20/2017 at 10:07 AM, surreal1272 said:

    Not even comparable in any way, and the reasons given have been plenty and valid. That dead horse has been beaten quite enough though so I guess when the next Alfa takes a dump during a test drive, we will just keep attributing to first year hiccups while giving more established models like the 500 a pass because they are on an "old platform".

     

    That is the automotive version of Stockholm syndrome, for the record. 

    Listen, if 2 years in they are as unreliable as my brother's Cadillacs have been, i will give it to you that they are unreliable.  Sound like a deal?  And see above......

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    And for the record, my next round of vehicles will probably not be from FCA, GM, or Ford.  Would probably go for another VW before any of those 3 at this point (ZR2 and Power Wagon are the exceptions).  And let's get this straight, i am not talking Toyota and Honda quality here, GM quality, sure!

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    18 hours ago, Stew said:

    You know I have stood up for GM and owned more GM than anything so your assertion is totally off base.  And yes, he has had these issues and his 09 CTS was worse (Sunroof and trunk leaks, AWD failure, and a wiring issue that caused his ABS to malfunction and actually caused him to get into an accident).  And i know many people who have had Cadillacs and swore them off because of issues.  more than likely you either don't know about your friends issues ar, like you accuse me of, are lying.  Cadillac has issues and that is part of the reason their sales pretty much suck right now.  It is a shame too, because the style, design, and drive are first rate.  My point is, there is no real proof that Alfa is going to be unreliable once they get past their first year.  Believe me, i have owned, and actually own 2 first year products (the Beetle and the Silverado (OH $h!!  I OWN A GM!!!!)  and they have their first year issues.  For the Beetle it is window issue, the Silverado, pinging 5.3.  My 97 F-150 rusted in 2. (literally, the frame split along the middle, same with the Silverado b ut not quite that bad).  Now, my Patriot was a first year model and it was probably the most reliable vehicle I have owned.  Bought it with 300 miles and sold with 126k miles.  Only had to do normal maintenance and front ball joints (did a lot of off0road in it).  So, before you make accusations look at yourself.  if it was GM offering this, you would be singing their praises and how it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.  We all know this. 

    Listen, if 2 years in they are as unreliable as my brother's Cadillacs have been, i will give it to you that they are unreliable.  Sound like a deal?  And see above......

    Way to ignore literally everything else that has been said here in order to blindly defend the HOST of problems with Alfa. You have gone from not accepting any criticism of a preproduction car for a certain set of reasons to not accepting any criticism of it now that it has been revealed that they are actual production vechiles crappping out on testers. Throw that on top of defending the 500 because "it's on a old platform" (for the record, being on an old platform hasn't really hurt the Charger or 300 in the reliability department but we will just side step that little fact), and it is clear that you simply will not accept that Fiat and Alfa are not good cars, even if two years pass with the same problems. The proof is already there. All one needs to do is actually LOOK.

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    1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

    Way to ignore literally everything else that has been said here in order to blindly defend the HOST of problems with Alfa. You have gone from not accepting any criticism of a preproduction car for a certain set of reasons to not accepting any criticism of it now that it has been revealed that they are actual production vechiles crappping out on testers. Throw that on top of defending the 500 because "it's on a old platform" (for the record, being on an old platform hasn't really hurt the Charger or 300 in the reliability department but we will just side step that little fact), and it is clear that you simply will not accept that Fiat and Alfa are not good cars, even if two years pass with the same problems. The proof is already there. All one needs to do is actually LOOK.

    How?  i am going via my own experiences and you KNOW what I am saying is the truth.  Hell, if I was buying in that market it would be the new a4/5 or S4/5.  I am just realistic, not only when it comes tio first year quality and being equal with chances to not pretending like my favorite is perfect in the qualit and reliability department.  Sorry that GM and Ford and that great either and you can ignore things like engine failures and find that less worrisome than a sunroof that won't open.  I mean hell, what is the point in even arguing here?  You are going to damn them even if they end up having at least average quality and try to claim others have far better quality than they actually do.

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    7 minutes ago, Stew said:

    How?  i am going via my own experiences and you KNOW what I am saying is the truth.  Hell, if I was buying in that market it would be the new a4/5 or S4/5.  I am just realistic, not only when it comes tio first year quality and being equal with chances to not pretending like my favorite is perfect in the qualit and reliability department.  Sorry that GM and Ford and that great either and you can ignore things like engine failures and find that less worrisome than a sunroof that won't open.  I mean hell, what is the point in even arguing here?  You are going to damn them even if they end up having at least average quality and try to claim others have far better quality than they actually do.

    Seriously? I know you're telling the truth? Umm, no. In fact, I think it is the opposite, hence my stance on Alfa and Fiat. You keep talking about "first year" problems but also give the "it's and old platform" stance for the 500. Which is it? Is it going to be the "truth" or the one that best suits your argument? Fact is that talking about 'X" friend having problems with "X" car means squat without proof. Meanwhile, we now have multiple publications with written and documented proof of the problems with the Giulia. Now, which one am I to believe? The friend that I don't know or the written proof of several national publications? Seems pretty easy to me but lets hear more about this denial. And your last sentence proves the issue with arguing with you about this. Even if they turn out to be bottom of the barrel in reliability (where they currently reside btw), you will never see it that way so your argument goes both ways. 

    4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    Back to your corners guys....

    @surreal1272 we won't put any Alfa Romeo on your sandwich okay?  You don't have to have any. 

    Of course not. I wouldn't want the bread to fall apart for no good reason lol!

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    3 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Seriously? I know you're telling the truth? Umm, no. In fact, I think it is the opposite, hence my stance on Alfa and Fiat. You keep talking about "first year" problems but also give the "it's and old platform" stance for the 500. Which is it? Is it going to be the "truth" or the one that best suits your argument? Fact is that talking about 'X" friend having problems with "X" car means squat without proof. Meanwhile, we now have multiple publications with written and documented proof of the problems with the Giulia. Now, which one am I to believe? The friend that I don't know or the written proof of several national publications? Seems pretty easy to me but lets hear more about this denial. And your last sentence proves the issue with arguing with you about this. Even if they turn out to be bottom of the barrel in reliability (where they currently reside btw), you will never see it that way so your argument goes both ways. 

    Of course not. I wouldn't want the bread to fall apart for no good reason lol!

    Ya don't like truth and the facts?  no my problem.  I have owned at least 25 cars in my 21 years of driving, most have been GM, a lot of first year, last year, and every year in between models.  Cadillac, Pontiac, Chevy, and Buick have all been in my driveway, hell, there is a Chevy, 99 first year model btw, Silverado in my driveway right now.  My bug is also a first year model, my 2004 Dakota, and 11 Camry on the other hand are both from the last years for their generation.  Only my 01 Dakota falls in the middle area.  Anyways, for Pete's sake, i am done. 

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    8 minutes ago, Stew said:

    Ya don't like truth and the facts?  no my problem.  I have owned at least 25 cars in my 21 years of driving, most have been GM, a lot of first year, last year, and every year in between models.  Cadillac, Pontiac, Chevy, and Buick have all been in my driveway, hell, there is a Chevy, 99 first year model btw, Silverado in my driveway right now.  My bug is also a first year model, my 2004 Dakota, and 11 Camry on the other hand are both from the last years for their generation.  Only my 01 Dakota falls in the middle area.  Anyways, for Pete's sake, i am done. 

    Again with the "truth or facts" argument that you haven't really backed up other than saying "well my friends Cadillac is junk" while others have written and documented proof of Alfa's initial problems. Hmmmm, which to go with...

     

    BTW, I have over 28 years of car ownership with multiple makes and models so why you felt compelled to bring that up, I haven't the foggiest. It has nothing to do with Alfas problems early on (as well as their checkered history). 

     

    I guess as Drew pointed out, "let it go, let it go...". LMAO!

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    10 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

    Again with the "truth or facts" argument that you haven't really backed up other than saying "well my friends Cadillac is junk" while others have written and documented proof of Alfa's initial problems. Hmmmm, which to go with...

     

    BTW, I have over 28 years of car ownership with multiple makes and models so why you felt compelled to bring that up, I haven't the foggiest. It has nothing to do with Alfas problems early on (as well as their checkered history). 

     

    I guess as Drew pointed out, "let it go, let it go...". LMAO!

    What I have said has everything to do with it, but yes.  Let it go. 

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    4 minutes ago, Stew said:

    What I have said has everything to do with it, but yes.  Let it go. 

    I am entititled to an honest rebuttal. You don't get to decide whether I "let it go" or not unless you want me to bring up the fact that you said you were done on your previous post (when you clearly weren't). See how that works?

     

    Now I'm done lol.

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    1 minute ago, surreal1272 said:

    I am entitled to an honest rebuttal. You don't get to decide whether I "let it go".

    But I do.... you've had your rebuttal... now let it go.

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    Love my Cadillac, GMC, and Chevys. Ex loves her Buick.

    A man who has owned a Fiat.. knu better to never own a Fiat again.......Confucius said that.. I think^_^

    in other news... "Fiat Chrysler faces French probe for emissions violations, report says":wub:

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    lol, you know why I had to edit that....

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    4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

    But I do.... you've had your rebuttal... now let it go.

    Oh good grief people. Did everyone wake up on the wrong side of the cage this morning? 

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    29 minutes ago, Cmicasa the Great said:

    Love my Cadillac, GMC, and Chevys. Ex loves her Buick.

    A man who has owned a Fiat.. knu better to never own a Fiat again.  Confucius said that.. I think^_^

    in other news... "Fiat Chrysler faces French probe for emissions violations, report says":wub:

    Of course, GM could buy the old Yugo plant and start building them and you would claim everybody loves their Yugo and never has issues.  That said, my brother loves his ATS, as do I, but neither of us pretends it is a reliability champion. 

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