UAW Ratify New Health-care Cuts

[Simon C]

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle....GENT.XML&rpc=11


I hope I did the link right.

[Shantanu]

It's not a good sign that only 60% of them voted for it. Obviously many in the UAW still don't get it. In 2007, my guess is that they will probably be demanding pay increases from a GM that's almost bankrupt.

[Simon C]

It's not a good sign that only 60% of them voted for it.

Obviously many in the UAW still don't get it.

In 2007, my guess is that they will probably be demanding pay increases from a GM that's almost bankrupt.

[post="41863"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Oh, your one of those ...

Also, your probably right, those bastards WILL "demand pay increases" in 2007.

You know us so well Shantanu. <_< Edited November 11, 2005 by Simon C

[bowtie_dude]

It's not a good sign that only 60% of them voted for it.

Obviously many in the UAW still don't get it.

In 2007, my guess is that they will probably be demanding pay increases from a GM that's almost bankrupt.

[post="41863"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

If there is even a UAW left by then...

[JazzyChef]

It's not a good sign that only 60% of them voted for it.

Obviously many in the UAW still don't get it.

In 2007, my guess is that they will probably be demanding pay increases from a GM that's almost bankrupt.

[post="41863"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

The members of UAW aren't dumb, they know that it's not possible. I think when 2007 comes around they'll be more willing to drop wages.

The 2008 presidential elections couldn't come soon enough!!! I think once the man is out of office we'll see our economy do a turn around.

[bowtie_dude]

The members of UAW aren't dumb, they know that it's not possible.  I think when 2007 comes around they'll be more willing to drop wages. 

The 2008 presidential elections couldn't come soon enough!!! I think once the man is out of office we'll see our economy do a turn around.

[post="41910"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Because the president has an effect on the US economy. :rolleyes:

The economy has been climbing for a while now, and that has NOTHING to do with the man in the Oval Office.

[cmattson]

Don't kid yourself: the president can have a large effect on our economic health. Take a look at the tax cut policies that were supposed to spur economic growth. All I see is a sea of debt and the middle (spending) class getting squeezed. Who was stumping for those exactly? Doesn't the president have veto power? You certainly wouldn't know that from this president. Has he vetoed anything yet? It might be worthwhile to consider cutting spending once in a while. I'd have so much more respect for GWB if he was true to the traditional conservative principles of less spending and smaller government. I don't recall him championing close to that.

[Shantanu]

The economy is growing. GDP growth has been positive throughout Bush's tenure, except for 3 quarters of 2001. The economy has grown about as much during Bush as it did under Clinton.

[bowtie_dude]

Don't kid yourself: the president can have a large effect on our economic health.
Take a look at the tax cut policies that were supposed to spur economic growth.  All I see is a sea of debt and the middle (spending) class getting squeezed.  Who was stumping for those exactly?  Doesn't the president have veto power?  You certainly wouldn't know that from this president.  Has he vetoed anything yet?  It might be worthwhile to consider cutting spending once in a while.  I'd have so much more respect for GWB if he was true to the traditional conservative principles of less spending and smaller government.  I don't recall him championing close to that.

[post="41944"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

I never said he was a good president, only pointing out that the economy isn't affected all that much by him. It will rise or fall regardless of whose in the office because thats how a capitalist economy works. There are years of growth followed by year(s) of shrinkage.

But then, apparently you missed where the economy is actually doing a lot better now compared to a year ago.

[David]

<_< Keep in mind the Chrub has put enormus DEBT on all our shoulders, the growth in economy is coming NOT from his policies, but from the fact that multiple Storms have destroyed so much that things have to be rebuilt and that is a big jump in the orders for durable goods and consumables. People have their insurance money and are spending it.

If you take out the billions from the storms, you will find an economy that is pretty much not to much higher than it was in 2002-2003.

Yes there has been some growth but nothing like it could have been. The US has always had bigger growth when we had more peace around the world than when the US was meddling in affairs outside our country.

I come from a 4 generation military family, all marines and I support our troops and the men and woman who defend our freedom, yet if you can not challange and question the administration due to fear then we truly have given up our freedom here at home already and that is sad.

In regards to the UAW: Very sad that so many can still not see how hurtfull their socialist ways have caused a great deal of this. Reality check but out side the main unions, most people pay a part of their own insurance.

Welcome to the real world. In 2007, I believe the General will be able to get more concessions from the UAW, those in it for a long time will realize they have to give to survive and keep their jobs. Those new to the UAW and plants as line workers will have to accept that a non college educated job only pays so much. You want better, go to school and get a diploma in a field with growth. :)

[CaddyXLR-V]

Yes there has been some growth but nothing like it could have been.  The US has always had bigger growth when we had more peace around the world than when the US was meddling in affairs outside our country.

You dont want too much growth. With growth comes inflation. You want a slow steady growth.

[JazzyChef]

Keep in mind many of these workers are from the 1980's when GM would lay them off for months at a time then call them up and expect them to be at work at 6:00 the next morning. I'm sure there are plenty of UAW that dislike GM jerking their chain and don't want a benefits cut.

[post="41988"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

It's a sad reality check.. but the US isn't doing so hot right now, and it's easily visible by GM and Delphi. Not to mention the whole gas price fiasco. It's tough being a big company suffering downsizing.

I work for Hollywood video on the side for the free movies, and were not doing too hot either. The movie industry alone has dropped 18% in patronage, HV is suffering from that reality and is doing the same thing GM is doing. So far they've fired about 1000 blue collar workers, and are cutting back sharply on movie orders.

I think it's happening all over, companies are seeing a lot of slowing... Minus the housing industry which still hasn't capped.

I don't have very much faith in GWB anymore... That's my $.02 Edited November 11, 2005 by JazzyChef

[bowtie_dude]

<_<  Keep in mind the Chrub has put enormus DEBT on all our shoulders, the growth in economy is coming NOT from his policies, but from the fact that multiple Storms have destroyed so much that things have to be rebuilt and that is a big jump in the orders for durable goods and consumables.  People have their insurance money and are spending it.

If you take out the billions from the storms, you will find an economy that is pretty much not to much higher than it was in 2002-2003.

Yes there has been some growth but nothing like it could have been.  The US has always had bigger growth when we had more peace around the world than when the US was meddling in affairs outside our country.

I come from a 4 generation military family, all marines and I support our troops and the men and woman who defend our freedom, yet if you can not challange and question the administration due to fear then we truly have given up our freedom here at home already and that is sad.

In regards to the UAW:  Very sad that so many can still not see how hurtfull their socialist ways have caused a great deal of this.  Reality check but out side the main unions, most people pay a part of their own insurance.

Welcome to the real world.  In 2007, I believe the General will be able to get more concessions from the UAW, those in it for a long time will realize they have to give to survive and keep their jobs.  Those new to the UAW and plants as line workers will have to accept that a non college educated job only pays so much.  You want better, go to school and get a diploma in a field with growth. :)

[post="41977"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

So we can blame him for a slow economy but not give him any credit for a growing one? OK.

And I don't fear the administration, I'm just pointing out facts. No one here is more disappointed in Bush then me, hell I voted for the guy expecting a helluva lot more than what I've got.

[Teh Ricer Civic!]

The president has little direct control over the economy, other than pressure the FED about the lending rate... and if you dont believe me look at FDR, tons of programs, many unconsititutional intended to increase economy... effects were limited at best... WWII brought us out of the depression, not the massive spending the Gov was doing to try and improve it.

[bowtie_dude]

The president has little direct control over the economy, other than pressure the FED about the lending rate...

and if you dont believe me look at FDR, tons of programs, many unconsititutional intended to increase economy... effects were limited at best... WWII brought us out of the depression, not the massive spending the Gov was doing to try and improve it.

[post="42162"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

And you can thank FDR for our trillion-dollar national debt.

[jmore1276]

I never said he was a good president, only pointing out that the economy isn't affected all that much by him.  It will rise or fall regardless of whose in the office because thats how a capitalist economy works.  There are years of growth followed by year(s) of shrinkage.

But then, apparently you missed where the economy is actually doing a lot better now compared to a year ago.

[post="41959"]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/post]

Yes, but when it's time to pay the Piper (you know, the defficite that Clinton erased from Reagan and Bush Sr.? and Bush Jr. has brought back even larger?) then we''ll see how the economy is doing. But by then, another democrat will be in office and have the job of cleaning a republicans mess up all over again and won't get the credit. He/She will have to raise taxes to pay for the last idiots reckless spending and everyone will be madd at him/her. And BTW...I bet Rick Wagoner wishes a democrat was in office right now...maybe they would have bailed out delphi 'cause they care about the USA and not Chinese Lobbyists or the Saudi's who bombed us.

[jmore1276]

I hate anti-union idiots. They seem to forget that even if they're not union, they have beneftted from the unions stand. Minimum wage? Overtime pay? Vacation pay? etc. etc. The government didn't give you scabs this stuff...workers were beaten and thretened for standing up to thugs (Pinkerton Security 1930's, Police who shot protestors in the sweat shops early 1900's etc.) for it. So go move to China and sew some shirts and underwear for hanes...I won't buy them...I buy "Fruit of the Loom" made in Kentucky. Quit blaming the middle class for deserving a decent life and hold those greedy traiters who "off shore" our jobs (not because they can't make a proffit off American Labor...but because they can make a HUGE PROFFIT on foreign labor) for your woes. Now put on your Walmart Smocks and get to work, your are running late and might be terminated for your insolance!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Innotech]

Christ on a stick, this thread has gone to pot. Id vote for bush again in a split second if I were able to. Lately, the best reason would be just top iss off as many people as possible. Im so sick of the ignorance. As for Auto unions/workers. theyre killing GM and ford and they suck. they should be completely disbanded and fired. End of story. Edited November 13, 2005 by Innotech