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On 4/28/2021 at 1:04 AM, David said:

Ford has admitted that the last couple of decades were anything but Quality is Job 1 at Ford and with 2021 models having numerous problems, Ford is coming out in talking about how they are changing this to get back to Quality is Job 1 as a reason for customers to buy Ford products and they point to the Mach-E and F-150e truck as the new standard.

The nightmare of launch for the Lincoln Aviator and Ford Explorer are to be a thing of the past.

How Ford's making sure quality is Job 1 once again - Roadshow (cnet.com)

I’ll believe it when I see it

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2021 GMC Sierra Elevation crew cab / 6.5' bed. 3.0L DuraMax / 10-spd.   It's only money.

This whole crossover craze has gone a bit too far....

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Re: Ford quality--an anecdote, I know, but I did hear one of the podcasters I follow leased a Mach-e and the screen went blank and had to be replaced literally before they got off the dealer lot...

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1 hour ago, balthazar said:

If "investors love electric vehicle stocks", why is Fiskar at $13 and Lordstown at $9?

Because much like every other industry out there, not all of them can be "winners" but maybe I'm just guilty of using common sense here instead of using sensationalism and exceptionalism to make a point.

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I found this line very amusing while reading up on Fiskers current doings. It's real easy to go after EV "pipe dreamers" when they fail once or twice and it's even easier when you want to ignore some simple facts of the past. Like this line:

It took Henry Ford three tries to start his own successful car company. Henrik Fisker is on his second try with his new company, Fisker Inc.

 

 

How'd that work out for him btw? I forget. I do know that even after a century in business, Ford still has it fair share of issues yet no one is calling for them to be shut down (except for rabid GM fans maybe lol). I'm just glad my Flex has been relatively trouble free 😁.

 

Point being, there will be winners and there will be losers but how about let that play out a bit before obeying that five minute attention span, that most people in this country seem to have.

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I like Ford; the company, the history, the founder, and their trucks. Some of their cars, too. I've not seen a Flex up close/inside to examine, but I have a feeling I'd really like it. Was listening to a dark blue/black rims current 'stang GT going up the highway next to me  today and the exhaust music was sublime.

My comment on stocks was a counter to smk's that "investors love electric car stocks" when plainly they love Tesla/Musk.
Whether a given company succeeds long term or not is another discussion.

I like entrepreneurs, in fact I am often jealous of industrial entrepreneurs and how world-altering they can become. 

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On 4/30/2021 at 1:36 PM, David said:

@A Horse With No Name Totally agree, brothers in awe of Asian woman.

We got married on a tight budget but a few years later took my wife to get her the glamor portrait she deserved in her wedding dress.

My wife Sun Felt! 😍

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I am going to be in Seattle in june. Would love to meet up. Meeting another C and G member in two weeks. 

15 hours ago, balthazar said:

I like Ford; the company, the history, the founder, and their trucks. Some of their cars, too. I've not seen a Flex up close/inside to examine, but I have a feeling I'd really like it. Was listening to a dark blue/black rims current 'stang GT going up the highway next to me  today and the exhaust music was sublime.

My comment on stocks was a counter to smk's that "investors love electric car stocks" when plainly they love Tesla/Musk.
Whether a given company succeeds long term or not is another discussion.

I like entrepreneurs, in fact I am often jealous of industrial entrepreneurs and how world-altering they can become. 

I like Ford much better now that I am over whatever emotional "cloud" I was in for about two years. 

Thanks to the C and G community for being patient and guiding me back onto the "path"

Told my wife my New Ranger might be my favorite ever vehicle. She had a snarky response. She said...."Whatever car your currently driving is usually your favorite. Especially if it runs. And it helps if it isn''t a minivan."

 

Boeing can't catch a break to save their ass, sadly. 

 

 

This resonates more now than ever. 

 

Should be in Music thread, but cool music for Monday. Just ordered the CD. 

 

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I love the voice of this young lady...been lsitening to a lot of male vocalists, but her voice is just spectacular. 

 

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

If "investors love electric vehicle stocks", why is Fiskar at $13 and Lordstown at $9?

Lordstown is a turd company that will go belly up. 

 

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23 hours ago, balthazar said:

For many years this was the largest exterior emblem (I believe) 

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But recently it's been challenged

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My good woodworking buddy Dustin's college room mate was one of the guys who designed the RAM and the RAM TRX. His other room amte is one of the lead designers at Harley Davidson. 

Dustin runs his own design company, some of his work. 

http://dustingerken.com/dustin-gerken-design----work.html

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23 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Re: Ford quality--an anecdote, I know, but I did hear one of the podcasters I follow leased a Mach-e and the screen went blank and had to be replaced literally before they got off the dealer lot...

Any new car will have bugs. So far, other than a few very random interior rattles that rarely happen, the Ranger has been flawless. 

23 hours ago, balthazar said:

This may be the largest interior emblem/nameplate ever ('60 Buick)

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I really wish I had been alive and around when this era of car was new and running around. It grows on me more and more all of the time, even the fugly Fords and the wierd Mopars of the Era. Mild Fetish for the 60 Edsel...please no one shun me or unfriend me on Facebook because of that admission. 

Buick goes up in my respect of cars as time goes on. Would love to own an interesting midsize car from the 68-72 era. Under rated GM design. Love the mid sixties Riv as well. 

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Last one for today, this is a wicked cool build series. 

 

 

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May be an image of outdoors

 

As a response to Balthazar, the older Fords never lost their appeal to me. Patina on this is just right. I love it. Apologies for posting one more pic but I couldn't resist. 

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I just like the paint scheme. 

May be an image of train and railroad

I also love this paint scheme. 

 

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

May be an image of outdoors

 

As a response to Balthazar, the older Fords never lost their appeal to me. Patina on this is just right. I love it. Apologies for posting one more pic but I couldn't resist. 

Still have a soft spot for those trucks! Growing up our neighbor down our street had a custom red one.....

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On 5/1/2021 at 8:05 PM, surreal1272 said:

A century in use overall yet some folks still can't build a manual transmission worth a damn. It also adds to why I think the Gladiator is one the most overhyped vehicles released in the last 30 years (at least) and I'd have a hard time finding one from the past that was so overpriced, so utterly useless as a pick up (apparently it can not safely tow anything), and so typical of the company that owns it now. How do you F up a six speed manual in a JEEP?

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a34761896/2020-jeep-gladiator-mojave-reliability-maintenance/

I like the gladiator but a bunch of people I know that bought them have traded them back in. I like the Ranger, Tacoma, and Colorado better as midsize trucks. I would own a nice Ranger or Colorado ZR2 over this. 

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I like the gladiator but a bunch of people I know that bought them have traded them back in.

It's brand new- did you hear any reasons?

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1 hour ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I like the gladiator but a bunch of people I know that bought them have traded them back in. I like the Ranger, Tacoma, and Colorado better as midsize trucks. I would own a nice Ranger or Colorado ZR2 over this. 

On the surface, its a nice enough looking ride that pays homage to the Scrambler days of old but it is horrendously overpriced and underperforms on nearly every level that is not related to off-roading, not to mention the host of quality issues already plaguing them. 

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14 minutes ago, balthazar said:

It's brand new- did you hear any reasons?

Here are some articles I have found regarding disappoint Gladiator owners.

 

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/this-2020-jeep-gladiator-owner-is-so-disappointed-hes-getting-rid-of-it/

 

And apparently going mudding goes against the warranty, thus leading me to ask "What is point of this?"

https://www.thedrive.com/news/38601/jeep-gladiator-owner-fixing-her-own-truck-after-dealer-allegedly-voids-warranty-for-mudding

 

 

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34 minutes ago, balthazar said:

It's brand new- did you hear any reasons?

Interior layout, towing power, handling, payload capacity, wanted a new Chevy Trail Boss more...but yeah....lots of people not happy with these. 

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Like the Wrangler, the Gladiator is a niche novelty vehicle.   Like the Wrangler, it's strengths are more as an off road vehicle than as an on-road SUV or truck.   For most potential buyers, a normal SUV or pickup is far more practical and drivable. 

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6 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Like the Wrangler, the Gladiator is a niche novelty vehicle.   Like the Wrangler, it's strengths are more as an off road vehicle than as an on-road SUV or truck.   For most potential buyers, a normal SUV or pickup is far more practical and drivable. 

Which is why I wound up with a far more normal pickup after test driving one. 

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Just now, A Horse With No Name said:

Which is why I wound up with a far more normal pickup after test driving one. 

Which is why I've driven Grand Cherokees for over 20 years instead of Wranglers.  I've ridden in and test driven several Wranglers over the years, and think they would be fun for weekend use if I was really, really into off-roading.  But I find them too loud, harsh and cramped as a daily driver.

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4 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Which is why I've driven Grand Cherokees for over 20 years instead of Wranglers.  I've ridden in and test driven several Wranglers over the years, and think they would be fun for weekend use if I was really, really into off-roading.  But I find them too loud, harsh and cramped as a daily driver.

They are wicked fun to drive though. 

 

Cornoavirus sadly is going ballistic worldwide even as it ramps down a bit here in the United States. And Drew was right in one of his comments about us never hitting her immunity of going fully back to normal because of people who refuse the vaccine. 

https://www.axios.com/covid-cases-global-india-pandemic-who-1aa326d3-55c0-485c-a546-dee93a6da155.html

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