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GM Eyed U.S. From Inception of ‘Whisper Diesel’

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Look, I'm sorry that Ford is missing out on sales of almost anything profitable diesel powered vehicles.

But that doesn't mean anyone else has to :)

 

Ford makes lots of passenger car diesels, they just don't see fit to sell them to fussy americans.   I can understand their reluctance given this country's prior history with passenger car diesels.   To be fair, at the moment everyone but the Germans are missing out on diesel passenger car sales.

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It's a growth market. Props to GM for continuing to lead the way in trying to ferret out sales.

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It's a growth market. Props to GM for continuing to lead the way in trying to ferret out sales.

Leading the way with one diesel car that the take rate is 3%..? Their other diesel is outsourced to Duramax. They have one more diesel than Ford and the same number that Ram offers. I'm missing the "leading" part. Please explain.

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Found the article I had read about improved injectors down the road.  They claim 20% efficiency gains.  Interesting read, if you are so inclined.  Anyway, it was on my mind and dug it up.

 

http://wardsauto.com/vehicles-amp-technology/developer-says-new-injectors-promise-20-fuel-economy-gains

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It's a growth market. Props to GM for continuing to lead the way in trying to ferret out sales.

Leading the way with one diesel car that the take rate is 3%..? Their other diesel is outsourced to Duramax. They have one more diesel than Ford and the same number that Ram offers. I'm missing the "leading" part. Please explain.
As whutsizface remarked, 3% is 3%. This is an advance over that toe in he marketplace. And GM is about to build on a REAL segment-buster by offering a diesel in the Canyonado.

It's the kind of thing that happens when you're dedicated to OFFERING mileage as opposed to marketing it.

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It's a growth market. Props to GM for continuing to lead the way in trying to ferret out sales.

Leading the way with one diesel car that the take rate is 3%..? Their other diesel is outsourced to Duramax. They have one more diesel than Ford and the same number that Ram offers. I'm missing the "leading" part. Please explain.
As whutsizface remarked, 3% is 3%. This is an advance over that toe in he marketplace. And GM is about to build on a REAL segment-buster by offering a diesel in the Canyonado.

It's the kind of thing that happens when you're dedicated to OFFERING mileage as opposed to marketing it.

 

That is 100% accurate, but what did/does that 3% COST? Break even? Tiny profit? Loss? I genuinely do not know. But then again this is probably a driveline that is offered in other parts of the world. Which is why I wish Ford would bring a diesel over here, for almost anything. I know they have the Kuga(Escape) overseas that has a diesel option. If that was offered here I guarantee I would give it a good look.

 

Edit: I also trust a diesel over a hybrid ten times over. I just don't have confidence in a hybrid maintenance and reliabliity like I do a diesel. A diesel is still just an engine which the configuration has been around for how many years? Hybrids honestly just scare me when it comes to actually thinking about buying one.

 

And, I'll completely give you that I already forgot about the Canyonado.. That should take off pretty well.

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The diesel in the current Cruze is a global engine, as is the new one (even as a GM guy I wind "whisper-diesel" to be a bit too cutesy).

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I'm a car guy like everybody else here.. I don't mind the diesel clatter one bit. I actually kind of like it. But I'm not their target buyer with the "whisper diesel". Put that in something a little bigger and we'd be talkin'. Oh, better yet. Put the baby Duramax in the Equinox/Terrain. That would be my next purchase. I realize that it is a driveine created for a RWD/4WD truck not a FWD CUV. But a guy can have a dream(a small one at that) lol.

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I'm a car guy like everybody else here.. I don't mind the diesel clatter one bit. I actually kind of like it. But I'm not their target buyer with the "whisper diesel". Put that in something a little bigger and we'd be talkin'. Oh, better yet. Put the baby Duramax in the Equinox/Terrain. That would be my next purchase. I realize that it is a driveine created for a RWD/4WD truck not a FWD CUV. But a guy can have a dream(a small one at that) lol.

Take the Terrain with the 2.9L Baby Duramax and Rock it in AWD mode and still be in the high 30's for gas mileage I bet.

I personally see no use for the clatter, the noise is not needed and I love that when GM went to Isuzu to build the Original Duramax one of the top 3 items was to be quiet like a gas engine. This proves you can have all the power of Diesel and quiet like regular gas. The Duramax is an awesome engine and my choice or the terribly noisy Powerstroke and the quieter but still noisy Cummins.

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The Duramax is not as quiet as a gas engine. 

Where did you hear that?  

Sure, Isuzu was able to take it down a notch or two, from what effectively sounded like a UPS truck....but nowhere near as quiet as a gas engine.

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The Duramax is not as quiet as a gas engine. 

Where did you hear that?  

Sure, Isuzu was able to take it down a notch or two, from what effectively sounded like a UPS truck....but nowhere near as quiet as a gas engine.

I have to disagree with you, I have had all three side by side and you clearly heard the noisy Powerstroke and then the Cummins and the Duramax was quiet. Both Powerstroke and Cummins you can still hear in the cab and it makes conversations hard, where the Duramax is quiet like a gas engine. Put the Duramax next to a GM gas engine and yes it is a bit nosier but does not have the diesel clatter and over all is on par with gas engines for noise. When the Duramax first came out this one of the points GM talked about as the power of diesel without people knowing it when it is next to you.

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The Duramax is not as quiet as a gas engine. 

Where did you hear that?  

Sure, Isuzu was able to take it down a notch or two, from what effectively sounded like a UPS truck....but nowhere near as quiet as a gas engine.

I have to disagree with you, I have had all three side by side and you clearly heard the noisy Powerstroke and then the Cummins and the Duramax was quiet. Both Powerstroke and Cummins you can still hear in the cab and it makes conversations hard, where the Duramax is quiet like a gas engine. Put the Duramax next to a GM gas engine and yes it is a bit nosier but does not have the diesel clatter and over all is on par with gas engines for noise. When the Duramax first came out this one of the points GM talked about as the power of diesel without people knowing it when it is next to you.

 

Idle and under load are two different operating conditions.

Diesel clatter is loud and present for all the aforementioned.

And yes, I believe the Duramax was a decibel or two less than the competition, but only at idle.  And honestly, it is hard to tell the difference.  Ford is launching a significant upgrade next year, as it is still riding on a design that is a few years old, so things will be about same at idle with updated injection.

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That's tomorrow tho. Today it's still pretty noisy

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I'm a car guy like everybody else here.. I don't mind the diesel clatter one bit. I actually kind of like it. But I'm not their target buyer with the "whisper diesel". Put that in something a little bigger and we'd be talkin'. Oh, better yet. Put the baby Duramax in the Equinox/Terrain. That would be my next purchase. I realize that it is a driveine created for a RWD/4WD truck not a FWD CUV. But a guy can have a dream(a small one at that) lol.

Take the Terrain with the 2.9L Baby Duramax and Rock it in AWD mode and still be in the high 30's for gas mileage I bet.

I personally see no use for the clatter, the noise is not needed and I love that when GM went to Isuzu to build the Original Duramax one of the top 3 items was to be quiet like a gas engine. This proves you can have all the power of Diesel and quiet like regular gas. The Duramax is an awesome engine and my choice or the terribly noisy Powerstroke and the quieter but still noisy Cummins.

 

Oh I think it would be touchy to 40mpg as long as their AWD system basically releases the other two wheels while cruising. I mean the Nox is already rated at 32mpg.. Well I guess that is FWD too.. I guess you're high 30's estimate would be more accurate. I don't know the weight different between the Colorado and Equinox but if the Equinox is a fair amount lighter they could gear it even taller.. Plus probably add some towing capability to it.

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Small car sales are languishing in low fuel prices. I don't see why offering a diesel would make any sense.

 

There isn't as much a business case for it as it's an opportunity to test a market for its acceptability - and offer product differentiation.

 

But the eco model already is very efficient. I think it's an unnecessary option. However great an engine it is; I just don't see why they're doing it. It's bundled with the top trims anyways, so that might help mitigate extra cost of certifiying a low-volume engine for the U.S.

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I just pumped gas for $2.39.  I am filling my Fusion every 2 weeks or so, for $40.  For reference, I just picked up dinner the other day from Sonic for the family and spent $32. So gas seems very cheap these days.

 

 

yeah, Diesel is making less and less sense these days.

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Diesel is typically more, and will rise to it's high water mark in no time.

 

 

Regardless, people ignore the thousands of dollars premium for Diesel, especially when there are fuel efficient options that don't condemn you to driving like you have miss daisy in the back seat.

 

 

But hey, have fun with that ole bitty.  And no, I'm not talkin bout your better half.  Better, by far I am sure.

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LOL@stalker up to his old tricks

...dayum, man. Stop being such a creeper...

...it's not like you're able to do any better there than here anyways :D :D :D

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...except when it's 10-15% cheaper than gas, regardless of price.

Sheesh :D :D :D

 

The bear market for gas is the problem that helps diesels in fuel price parity. Inventories of gasoline are high because OPEC wants to crush domestic fuel industries of the big economies such as China and U.S.

 

The high green back then bites gas in the ass again. People are cashing out their gas futures.

 

It hurts Canada though. I don't think Alberta's doing so well these days.

 

I don't think I'd ever get a diesel Cruze, and that's because I'll never consider a compact car. There's never been a better time for diesels, but again; diesels make sense when it clearly becomes the superior economy choice.

 

I bet the base engine will approach 40 mpg highway easily for the new Cruze. That's really good for a strong tubro base motor.

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Trust me, it IS hurting Alberta. I told my buddies the real estate market was gonna go for a crap the day after OPEC announced the taps would stay open. They just laughed.

I'm fairly confident my job is ok. But I have cut down on my debt in the previous year, just in case. Any newer oil sands operations are in serious trouble.

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The diesel in the current Cruze is a global engine, as is the new one (even as a GM guy I wind "whisper-diesel" to be a bit too cutesy).

 

It was the German automotive press that came up with that term, not GM, and I'm guessing that it just didn't translate well.

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Diesel is typically more, and will rise to it's high water mark in no time.

 

If you're able to make predictions like that with any sort of accuracy, what are you doing being a power train engineer instead of a commodities trader?

 

Diesel and gasoline regularly trade places for being the higher price fuel.  Diesel typically costs more than gas in the winter and then they swap in the summer.   There are occasional exceptions to that trend, but it is generally true.

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