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IMO, they are for 'states rights' only when it applies only to furthering right wing causes...

It’s okay - Fuel efficiency was something invented by the Chinese to make U.S. autos less competitive. ?

It's not the internet. It's the vehicles. More players now in the market than since the 1930s. EVERYONE has sedans, CUVs, SUVs, full power features, AWD, hybrid/electric, alloy wheels, leather seats, screens, 2.0Lt, 3.0Lt, etc etc etc. There hasn't been a new creature comfort in what feels like decades. A hyundai was a junky, plasticy wheezing generic when a mercedes was a big, brash, powerful loaded car. Now you almost have to read the nameplates to tell them apart. What's to go see? That's exactly why bouncy castles and food trucks are such a crucial element.

https://fee.org/articles/the-epic-failure-of-the-government-gas-can/

Not relevant. California doesn't have power over the Federal level, so your original premise is flawed. If General Motors wishes to run away from the California market just like they did with the EU market, that's their choice. No one is saying any manufacturer has to sell in California. Years ago, a California car was a car with extra emissions control equipment that cost slightly more. What is the problem with going back to that model?

States rights conservatives use that argument when they don’t like what the Federal Government does and they want something different. Politics aside, I also just read oil could go to $200-$400 per barrel in 2020. That basically will kill gasoline car sales. Oil hit a record high of $147 per barrel in 2008 and everything collapsed. How will these car companies manage $300 a barrel because that means $10 a gallon gas in the USA. 1,000 up votes.

Highly unlikely unless we manage to find a drop-in replacement for petroleum for everything. If we don't use oil in our cars, we'll still use it in our shampoo bottles... the price of oil won't drop so much that it will drop below the price per mile of Electric.

Exactly! Where are all the "states rights" conservatives on this one? This thread is by necessity going to get political. I'm encouraging everyone here to keep a level head discuss ideas, not people. TL:DR - Don't make it personal

It's funny, those humpy 49-51 Mercs have zero interest to me, always thought it was a generational thing. On the other hand, I do like Mercurys of the late 60s and early 70s..

Nah, Just my 1970's red blooded American boy came out on two things i love, Hot Rods and Woman!

You seem to be confusing 'car' and 'woman'.

Just like a proper bubble butt on a woman!

CARB is an entity within the CA EPA. When they were founded is immaterial, legally. Cadillac doesn't overrule General Motors just because it was founded years before.

I'm thinking the 'plaid cloth in entry Cadillac' is a mistake- I see nothing in the '80-81-82-83 brochures even close to that... but you didn't state a year span. Just doesn't 'ring right' to my recollection. Perhaps you are thinking of the designer Gucci Seville (tho this is pretty far from the image I was getting from your description) :

Yes, an air filter that regularly gets changed with it is dirty is the best start. I also on the 99 Durango have 30,000 mile tune ups as to why every 2 years roughly it gets a tune up. I agree with your assessment that the auto in the video you watched was a high mileage with neglect as I have traditional carbon build up but never gunk. I usually run the auto and race the motor as I spay into the throttle body and clean everything up shinny new like before changing the plugs, points, rotor cap, plugs etc. Once all cleaned up, cool down and replace everything then off to fill up the tank with Techron and the baby is good for a while.

What does Supra have to do with Lexus? The Supra is the new hot thing and it might as well plant nails in the coffin of the Lexus RC. They have the GA-L platform and the LC is a hoot to drive just porky and larded with impeccable luxury on the inside as well. No worse than a 6 Series. It offers the luxury of Natural Aspiration and actual sound. but I have a feeling that this car might be another chassis car that really lives up to the handling and feel of say - E90 3 Series. Also, the Z4 is a roadster, has the Supra ever been a car without a fixed roof? What is funny SMK is that you pan carmakers’ models that sell high volumes and make good profit but aren’t aligned with Mercedes and then you also go after the same cars like the LC and LS 500 that are direct competition with Mercedes but because they don’t sell in high numbers they are not viable!

Great source to follow the Clean California Emissions info: http://calcleancars.org/ Intersting read on this same thread: https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2018-07-23/us-to-propose-revoking-calif-ability-to-set-vehicle-emissions-rules-mandate-evs-source Another site that does a pro/con writeup on the CARB versus EPA: https://www.dmv.org/articles/epa-emissions-standards-revision Who knew that the Forestry Service arm of the Government is putting in place their own standards to quiet and reduce emissions of non-road petro powered products. Specifically fire pumps and chain saws but also to be applied to other appliance type devices. EPA and CARB Emission Standards To Control Nonroad Exhaust Emissions of Fire Pumps and Chain Saws https://www.fs.fed.us/eng/pubs/html/02511204/02511204.htm Washington state is working hard to remove emission pollution and road noise. As such of course EV's are a well supported auto option with rebates and discounts. With that said Washington is a partner in supporting CARB over the Federal standards and requiring all new auto's to meet the CARB standard. https://ecology.wa.gov/Air-Climate/Air-quality/Vehicle-emissions With 13 states fully implementing the CARB standard, 3 states partially implementing them with full implementation happening between 2020-2025 and being voter approved in the west coast states, I honestly do not see the feds being able to take away State Rights in governing themselves. If they still move forward to repeal California's CARB. I suspect it will end up in the courts and last well over 2 years by which time Trump should be out of office.

I think it will be near impossible to revoke California's waiver, because CARB pre-dates the EPA and any other agency, and what legal authority do they have to revoke it? Then you get into a political situation where most conservatives will advocate a smaller federal government with states having more power, this does the opposite, it is revoking a state's ability to set laws. As far as the cars go themselves, if these automakers want to lobby for low standards so they can keep their profits up in the short term, you'd think the'd remember what happened in the 1970s. Detroit didn't want to build fuel efficient, they just wanted to make big V8s to get a profit, and the door was left wide open for the Japanese to come in and clean their clocks. China is going to go all EV, and in 10-15 years they'll have EV's that are like today's Tesla at Chevy prices and they will flood this country unless GM, Ford, Toyota, etc beat them too it.