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With a 122" wheelbase and a 78" width, the Lyric is full-size. That WB is 1 inch off the GLS & 8 inches longer than a GLE. Oh, OK; so let's wait & see the production specs and test results. Good idea.

The EQS has been shown in production trim and specs released, it goes on sale late summer. Nothing need be assumed, we know what it is. The Lyriq has a smaller battery, weighs more and is less aerodynamic so it will have less range, but I think 300 miles is adequate. More range is just more battery to haul around. I could have a cell phone with a battery that lasts 2 weeks if I want it to weigh 7 pounds because it has a huge battery.

mercedes problem is, people are turning away from the s-class in droves; sales are down to 50% in 2019 from just 5 years earlier, and it peaked way back in 2006. The cash cow is going to have to be put out to pasture. Unfortunately, BE's only sell at a 2% take rate, which means eqs US sales would drop to probably under 500 units/yr once the 'gotta haves' get in early. The 'used bar of soap' look from 2000 isn't going to help at all because it looks cheap but dealers will try and gouge buyers.

LOL! Easy mistake as it was horrible back there before switching to IRS. Again, heads of cabbage back there. It highlights my point though about size. On something like a Highlander, the 3rd row is utterly useless (part of the 90% useless crew) while on a full size SUV like the Slade, it's far more useable. Anything smaller than full size, is pure gimmickry.

^ I would not approve a 7-pass Lyriq were I at Cadillac; 3rd rows are superfluous and a given brand does NOT have to cater to every segment & trim & seating & power tiers. - - - - - Thanks for the correction on the Escalade - saw something that stated the IRS allowed a 3rd row in the standard E for 2021 - perhaps I misinterpreted.

Not true. 3rd row has been on standard Escalades for a while. Two different generations below and both are standard wheelbase. However, that doesn't mean they were bought for their 3rd row, like you said.

SOME consumers demand them, yes. OTHERS don't see the need. Cadillac XT5 handily outsells the 3-row XT6, also. Maybe more Cadillac buyers are between 1-4 in their family. No Range Rovers have 7-seats standard, and the largest model doesn't offer it at all, I believe. It's not that high of a demand... unless you have specific figures you want to post. Bottom line, as stated earlier; Lyric has the chassis length to accommodate 3 rows if Cadillac decides it wants to offer it.

Doesn’t matter how much 3rd row seats get used, consumers demand them. Consumers don’t need 400 mile EV range which with 1 charge per day equates to 146,000 miles per year but they want it and pay for it anyway.

And 90% of those 3rd rows mentioned are less than useless for anything larger than a human skull. My Flex has better 3rd row accommodations than most of those although anyone taller than 5'7" is going to find it tight back there. I should also mention that I did not buy my Flex with the 3rd row in mind. I bought it because it has a crap ton of cargo room for its size, which is why most folks by the ones you mentioned above, more often than not. Attaching 3rd rows to these smaller CUVs like the Highlander is a pure marketing gimmick. It should be further noted that I scratched out the mini-vans you mentioned because A.) We are talking about CUVs/SUVs and B.) Given the mini-van market overall sales decline over the last twenty years, it pretty much kills your 3rd row demand argument where those are concerned. Now I get that slashes figures dropped because of shifting demands towards CUVs but ask anyone with those SUVs and CUVs which one is better suited to 3rd row usage. It sure as hell isn't CUVs and SUVs. Because the Slade has a boxier and taller shape for larger accommodations. CUVs with sloped roofs should not have 3rd row seats at all for reasons already mentioned. That covers more than half of the CUVs you mentioned above. Again though, marketing gimmicks sell.

• Lyric has a 2-in longer wheelbase than the Escalade. • 3rd rows are vastly overweighted. Families are smaller than in the past, and when sedans ruled the roads as familial transportation, there weren't any 3rd rows there. • IMO, there's 'concept', I guess we can slip in 'pre-production', and 'production'. 'Pre-production' would be in the neighborhood of 85%-90% (or higher) as 'production' is, and that would include OEM 'numbers' claims. Whereas a concept may be as low as 10% of a production vehicle. Again; IMO.

HELLO McFly!!! Any Brains up there to even turn on a Light! Production Trim and Spec is not REAL WORLD ACTUAL!!! Same here, the LYRIQ is seen in Production trim and Spec, but until actually tested and verified, one cannot make the assumptions and even you CONTRADICT yourself with your September comment. There is so much more we DO NOT KNOW about both this LYRIQ and the EQS except for one thing. MERCEDES FAILED in the Exterior style department especially compared to the LYRIQ! LYRIQ for the Win!!!

Which is all you had to say to begin with as opposed to making these endless assumptions about something you haven’t even personally seen much less sat in and driven.

Well, they have had elected actors at least twice before...could happen again

Ya might not like it, but in the day of no rear visibility out the corners due to roll over standard now, having those lights there make it very visible from the rear and the side. Good safety point and it is both yours and my personal preference. Take this over the joke of a BEV EQS.

Let's correct this, ASSUMED best interior, ASSUMED Longest Range, Assumed Biggest screen. As an auto that HAS NOT been released yet, it is all assumptions at this point. Who is to say that GM is not being very conservative on their 300 miles and the battery pack for the LYRIQ might not actually be 500 miles in RWD and 400 miles in AWD form. This is all just conjecture at this point till the actual products are out and able to be tested in the real world. Tesla has failed in this regards. Yes longest range of any EV, but no real competition till this year and they have done that in many interesting ways, so MB could be playing the stretch the truth game too.

AMG and Maybach versions of that jellybean shaped turd just means more expensive versions of the same jellybean shaped turd. Again, a CUV should have been their first EV, not a bland (on the outside) lower demand (since it’s not a CUV) sedan (an argument you have used against the competition for the last four years or so). The fact that you are trying to prop it up on its “largest screen” (ie more distracting) is very telling here. For the 99th time, Oldsmobile beat Daimler to the 4-door coupe punch almost a decade prior to the CLS. Just stop it already.

Why would you assume that? Tesla has different motor ratings in the 3 / S, and even Mercedes uses different engines in the e / s. There'd be little reason to have separate adjacent models on the same platforms using the same motor outputs.

If so, the range undoubtedly will be worse there. Then why did you mention a false range claim more than once in this very thread? Mercedes already copied it from it's old stable-mate; Chrysler. It's not only not new, it's QUITE old.

Really the EQE is the Model S competitor, the EQS is a much bigger car than the Model S and much more luxurious. There are also AMG and Maybach versions of EQS coming, it isn't like Mercedes is done. And EQE will get an AMG trim, so we'll see how that matches up against Tesla. Tesla will be hard to beat sales-wise, Mercedes will have to be on their A-game for years. Also as I said, range is over rated and will be more so over rated as charge times drop. No one buys a gasoline car and compares the range on a Camry to the range on a Sonata and picks the one with longer range. I am curious how it sells. And also how quickly people copy it. When Mercedes did the CLS in 2004, everyone wanted a 4-door coupe. BMW and Mercedes made SUV coupes and everyone said they are ugly, then a dozen manufacturers had coupe SUV's. Mercedes could make a car that looked like a shoe box and at least 5 other luxury brands would copy them.

Sources are predicting the eqs's 478 mile range will be adjusted to under 400 miles in the U.S.. Tesla claims the Model S Plaid+ range is 520 miles. They're trying to challenge the dominate Tesla; Daimler needs to have a 600 mile range out of the box and as a base. Then offer a 750-mile range topper.

It looks very FWD w/ cab forward styling. The nasty A-pillar treatment reminds me of a Honda Civic sedan from 10 years ago...

It has the longest range of any EV, the best interior of any EV, biggest screen of any car. They got a lot right. Personally I am not a fan of the rounded off exterior styling, it doesn't have classic Mercedes proportions which I prefer.

I like the rear in profile also...sleek and sloped. They don't need a squared off CUV/SUV rear on this, they have the XT6 and Escalade for those that want boxy practical.

And the best part - it really happened!

And yet a lot of Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/Escalade, Expedition/Navigator, Telluride, Palisade, Ascent, Traverse, Enclave, XT6, Acadia, GLE, GLS, X5, X7, Q7, LX570, QX80, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, Armada, Atlas, Explorer, Model X, Range Rover, Highlander, Pilot, MDX, GLB, Sienna, Odyssey, Pacifica, Carnival, get sold every year. And Jeep sees more room for 3-rows and has Grand Cherokee, Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer coming. Seems like there is demand for 3-rows, that group must make up 2-3 million units a year and with high margins.

If there was going to be a 3-row Lyriq it would be there at launch. I would be $1000 to a donut that a 3-row electric Cadillac will come later so they can up sell consumers to a higher price point. Until the Celestiq arrives, Cadillac had no EQS competitor, nor does Tesla and we don’t know what the Celestiq is yet.

The EQS is a foot longer than a Tesla Model S, also the interiors and luxury features aren't even close. Price isn't that close either, EQS is probably going to be $30k-40k more base and the AMG/Maybach will probably be $40-50k more than a Model S Plaid. The EQE will be sized and priced like a Model S. Cadillac may not do an electric sedan, but they said they are building the Celestiq as a full size sedan. I don't think they really have to make a sedan, they could make Cadillac all SUVs, just like Buick is all SUVs and Chevy is on their way to being all SUVs and the Corvette. Personally, I don't like SUVs, I would never buy an SUV, but that is all manufacturers seem to be putting out and they are killing off sedans, coupes and convertibles left and right.