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Hurst This! Days of selling Sex with Cubic Inches! Another for @oldshurst442

The full-size 1,000 HP Hummer super truck has the same payload rating as a 260 HP Jeep Wrangler. Put 4 adults in the Hummer at 225 lbs each and you can only load in 450 more pounds of 'adventure gear'. Put 5 225 lbs adults in there and you can only carry another 225 lbs. Better get ice at your destination. Frunk is immaterial- you can't pack it & the bed without going over the GVWR. It's a monstrous Corvette. This is ANOTHER significant, unspoken aspect of the move to super-heavy BE's. Crash ratings are done according to vehicle weight classes- a sub compact with a 5 start frontal rating is measured against other sub-compacts; it's not going to 'perform' at a 5-star level against an F-250 crew cab. Now stage that impact with an F-250 weighing 2500 lbs MORE.

9000 lbs... Will the Silverado EV pick-up weigh the same? What about the EV F-150? 7000, 8000, 9000 lbs? Jeeeezus!!! If the weight dont come down, imagine these things getting into an accident with one another. (I aint talking about the battery aspect, but the sheer weight of these things) 14 000-16 000-18 000 lbs of force NOT including the speed factor with just a TWO vehicle collision. Man, a small multiple car pile-up on a highway with 3 EV pick-up trucks, 2-3 5000 lbs Tesla Model S/Porsche Taycans or Audi GTs WILL produce a mushroom cloud and you WILL feel a shock wave 3 miles away!!!

We all have our different likes and dislikes, and our vast difference of opinion, however I know I can count on all of you to join me and as a community spanning nearly 20 years in offering our thoughts and condolences to our friend @Paolino who lost his fiancé suddenly and unexpectedly yesterday. We are all thinking about you Paulie.

I will expect a free meal if I let you drive it though....otherwise I will happily pay. Much friendship from the south, Chris/Stang/Horse/Hachetman/Crazy woodworker...

Hmmm, GN was all Buick, but ASC/McLaren Performance were involved with upgrading the GN into the GNX. That's how they were all dyno'd; that didn't happen at Flint Assembly.

Storm chaser Laura Rowe got this awesome shot in Texas...

Still sold directly by Buick and it handled through them from beginning to end (in some fashion or another) whereas the Hammer was basically an aftermarket tuner job by AMG. Not quite the same thing. https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a23739443/buick-regal-grand-national-gnx-history/

True, but the 2500HD is a true work truck for hauling stuff. The Hummer EV is just a pricy toy. And imagine the poor schlub in the Chevy Spark they run into... wouldn't stand a chance.

I aint sayin' nuttin'. Just answerin' dah queshion. Aight? https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15141447/mercedes-benz-amg-hammer-archived-test-review/ PRICE AS TESTED: $137,000 (base $125,000) ENGINE TYPE DOHC 32-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads Displacement: 338 cu in, 5547 cc Power: 355 hp @ 5500 rpm Torque: 388 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm TRANSMISSION: 4-speed automatic DIMENSIONS Wheelbase: 110.2 in Length: 186.6 in Width: 68.5 in Height: 54.1 in Curb weight: 3636 lb C/D TEST RESULTS Zero to 60 mph: 5.0 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.0 sec Zero to 130 mph: 22.8 sec Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.1 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 107 mph Top speed: 178 mph Braking, 70-0 mph: 165 ft Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.85 g FUEL ECONOMY C/D observed: 15 mpg A good ole fashioned muscle car. But with a naturally aspirated V8. Unlike the GNX... (so I guess, the way I worded that last part, I AM sayin' sumtin'...)

Salesdude called today; truck is ready. Drove by this evening but didn't see it out; I'll bet they got it entombed for safety. Will dance tomorrow, see what I can get out of them.

That’s just about your baseline level of achiness anyway

I’ll be cleaning up this thread and handing out the warnings in a few.

I can see how it does have it's messy points, but then it also truly stands out from the other trucks with a clear idea of functional lifestyle living. I would like to see one in person and sit in one as it might just be a very roomy, versatile auto for the suburban family.

<removed politics> - Drew On a Positive note about the area, we have a talented beautiful actress playing an awesome roll as Wonder Woman. Gal Gadot

Picture is for Drew, a cat lover.

I have known a few....meanwhile in Alabama and West Virgina... Also in West Virginia and Alabama

Advice.... This is nuts also....

Positive to offset the negative.

Original Hummer H1 payload was 2200-2450 lbs. This is HUGELY disappointing to me; not that I was remotely considering getting one, but with the lofty HP/TRQ figures being splattered around, payload should've INCREASED, never mind stayed the same, NEVERMIND GET HALVED. Rivian R1T payload is still well down from IC at 1750 lbs, but that's still 400 lbs more than the Hummer. WTH.

@oldshurst442 Pure Sex in a Sedan for that 442! ?

The black one is the Feds; the new 'black helicopter'.

^^^ Hey...those are the UFOs... How did you get your hands on them from the Feds, or CIA or even the MIB?

Restored bits collection keeps growing:

Dont forget an insanely expensive, bland and dumpy 4-door... 100 000 dollars IN the mid-1980s I just felt left out of the slugfest that I too, wanted to fight for something, so I took a shot against the GNX. But in reality, I LOVE the GNX. I only merely like the AMG Hammer. Id take the GNX hands DOWN, all day, every day, and every night over the Hammer. But I DO like LOVE that the Hammer has a big (for mid 1980s) V8 under the hood. EDIT: I wanted to address this to @balthazar, but @surreal1272 didnt waste any time to...address that little thing called price. I was answering a call that @David was phoning in. He called, I answered. I hung up. OK...I may have slightly hinted that maybe a turbo, dinky V6 might not BE a N/A V8...but hey!!! 1987 Olds442 307 CI V8 Deal with it!!!

And for only 4 times the cost while still being slower. There was also never more than 30 of those because they were essentially one off conversions by AMG, and at a time when AMG was not fully under the Mercedes umbrella (ownership wise) so they are basically just another tuner company like Callaway and Hennessy. At least the Buick was all GM and all stock with no tuner help. Mercedes didn't have a real interest in hi-po sedans at that time anyway, which is why it took AMG to juice up that E-300.

^ Interesting that 1 turbo replaced 3 camshafts, 2 cylinders and 110 CI - (every GNX was dyno-tested at ASC and averaged 350 HP.). Tho it's numbers are respectable (if slower), the MB is a bland, dumpy 4-door.

As long as you show up with something like that, we (I) accept.

So the HummerEV has a GVWR of 10400 and a curb weight of 9050 - means the payload capacity on a 4.5-ton vehicle is a measly 1350 lbs. ? My 2500HD weighs 5900 and has a GVWR of 9200, a difference of 3,300 lbs. That ain't progress.

Perfect solution for that Miata!

"conquer Moab"?? Looks not unlike my central Jersey driveway.