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Won't be interesting, in the least. It will, however, be 100% predictable. Step aside folks. Moving goalposts coming through!

OK, since you cannot actually site any true sources of saying Mercedes sells the #1 or #2 best luxury sedan, I have done a quick search and the information is very ILLUMINATING! A walk back in time, 2018 The best selling Luxury auto in the U.S. was Tesla, The GLC was the 5th best selling for Mercedes. 10 Best-Selling Luxury Cars and SUVs in America in 2018 (caranddriver.com) Now we will jump to current and here is what TrueCar has to say about the Best Selling Luxury auto, Audi A3 is tagged in #1 place and the best Mercedes could do was 20th place with the CLS. 20 Best Luxury Cars for 2022 - TrueCar Now maybe @smk4565 will point to this one, but unlike the links above based on actual Sales numbers, Forbes does rate the Mercedes S-Class as #1, but #2 is Genesis GV80. Forbes states it is just a notch below the S-Class and far better value. #3 is Volvo S90 and #4 is Mercedes E-Class. In fact Genesis has two autos in the top 10. Best Luxury Cars For 2022 - Forbes Wheels Now if we go by this web site, the Top Luxury autos is even more interesting. The 10 Best Luxury Cars for 2022 (goodcarbadcar.net) They even give a chart which I love. Great info as to why these autos are ranked this way taking both sales, quality, customization, etc. into account. The Might S-Class is ranked 3rd, surprise Genesis in 9th and Cadillac in 10th. So how does Kia/Hyundai and especially Genesis not build a quality product or luxury? @surreal1272 This should be interesting to see what he has to say on this!

For the upteenth time, please cite a source for these “claims”.

So which is it? They can’t sell them because they are just little Hyundai or they can’t sell them because they can’t produce enough of them? Pick one and stick with it. I thought Hyundai and Benz didn’t compete with each other? You are deflection from raw numbers that show Benz struggling in the EV segment just like you deflected from the valid EQB criticisms. How about putting the fan boy hat down for just a second and giving an actual objective though on this?

#2 selling? What a Joke when it is only averaging 674.666 EQS per month. So what is Mercedes Excuse for not building in large volume to sell more? Kia and Hyundai are building due to parts constraints still far more than Mercedes is, you cannot blow off 38,000 sales by Kia/Hyundai versus 4,048 sales. The bulk of society could care less about the 1% market. Mercedes has ignored the rest of the world population while touting Luxury, building Toyota quality bulk C-class crud autos. Common Sense says Kia/Hyundai is nailing the desires of the market compared to Mercedes. Kia/Hyundai have also announced that they will be moving EV production to the U.S. next year, so as I have stated in other threads, this is the chicken/egg issue of building up production factories for auto production and Cell Production factories. We can review this again at the end of the year, but at this point, Mercedes is on track to sell less than 10,000 EVs in the US in 2022 and Kia/Hyundai are on track to sell over 50,000 EVs.

Yes, Chevrolet does when you take into account that the High-Country Suburban is a $92,000 SUV and with local markups due to shortages, they are selling for $100,000. Funny that you say there is no volume there and yet you pretty much have stated that all luxury makers have to have 6 figure autos' to be luxury. IONIQ 5 does have volume, more so than any of the EQ brands from Mercedes. So, you are WRONG there, try the excuses again for your fan boy brand that has not delivered yet. Continue to delude yourself with Mercedes is doing fine. They are FAILING in China the biggest market in the world with pathetic EV product that cannot compete with Tesla. I proved that Tesla with just the Y and 3 being built in China are out selling Mercedes big time. Continue to be a horse with blinders on when the fact is Mercedes your hoping will be able to go all EV by 2030 and Genesis alone will be all EV by 2025. Kia and Hyundai are delivering more EVs per year for both new models and existing sales than Mercedes is. Mercedes makes trucks, just FAILURE at it. They tried to badge engineer a Japanese truck and failed. They build Meh vans that are part of the truck division as is all their SUVs part of the truck division so they can avoid the MPG issues with having the SUVs listed as cars. Remember the X-Class Pickup Badge engineered of the Nissan NP300 Navara Mercedes FAILED in putting body pieces on a mass market truck where Mercedes took the bulk of the truck, powertrain, cabin interior and either put badges over the place of the Nissan or just changed a few parts to give it a somewhat look of Mercedes. Customers realized there was no luxury, no Mercedes and worse yet, it was a Renault platform, far from being a Mercedes. Kinda like how the Supra failed when the fans learned it was not a Toyota built car, but a BMW built car with Toyota sheet metal on the front and back. Sales fell flat and it is a dead product just like the X-Class is a dead failed product. Hyundai/Kia is smart in knowing they will have those that will never go EV till they have no choice and as such have chosen to keep their ICE line up as is. But then they are smart as they have built an EV lineup for both Kia and Hyundai that are attractive, desirable and show it in sales to the public. Genesis is the only place they are keeping the same names but also going pure EV by 2025 so having a GV70 and GV70 electric, from a marketing standpoint one can see when they do convert fully, they can just drop the electric and stick with GV70. End result is Mercedes is Following the market and is slow to change and adapt after their huge failure with Diesel gate.

Shock of the year there from the Mercedes fan who ignores the price bumps from his own favorite brand. Keep thinking they can't lol. They have been proving folks wrong (for the most part) with every passing decade despite comments like yours. They are not worried about those comments, clearly.

Really? Guess their vans didn't get that particular message lol. Just more "Mercedes this" and "Mercedes that" fan talk that ignores the valid criticisms and deflects to nothing more than paid advertising speak. Seriously. If you say so. Current GLB starting price-$39,800 EV equivalent EQB-$52,400 But you think it will have the SAME price points eight years from now. Best of luck with whatever has you thinking that.

Chevrolet doesn't really sell a $100k SUV, but Hyundai can sell whatever they want. Anyone can sell $100k cars but there isn't any volume there, customers can barely afford cars now. The Ioniq 5 doesn't have volume, making higher priced Hyundais and Kias isn't a path to growth. Mercedes is doing just fine, through Q2 the EQS was the #2 selling large luxury car only behind the S-class the Q3 numbers aren't out yet. And they'll have EQE sedan and SUV in the next few months hitting dealers. Assuming they they price parity (or at least close) with the next gen batteries coming in the 2025 time frame they'll basically be able to merge into all EV by 2030 for C-class and up at least. Because the current S-class runs through 2027 model year, the C-class through 2028 and next E-class 2024-2030. Sort of lines up perfectly to make each generation the last ICE and make the replacement generation EV. And they arrive at 2030 with the same lineup they have today at the same price points and market segments as today, just electric and not ICE. And Mercedes doesn't make trucks, they make luxury vehicles, they aren't trying to compete with Toyota or GM. And I would say that Tesla doesn't make luxury cars either. Hyundai/Kia are not doing this, they are adding EV's in segments they aren't in, not preparing to convert Tucson, Santa Fe and Palisade to electric, that might not be 15-20 years depending on how fast this EV switch happens, which personally I think once battery cost drops and supply goes up, I think flood gates open and the switch to EV goes fast.

But the Telluride is 2 size classes bigger than an EV6. When the EV9 or whatever their 3 row SUV is, what will that cost? $75,000? I have a hard time believing there is demand for $75,000 Hyundai and Kia SUVs. Now if they can slash the price of their EV's then different story. But that Ioniq 6 is their Sonata replacement, but it is going to cost $20,000 more than a Sonata. I don't see how they get someone trading in their Sonata to all of a sudden pay $20k more to guy a new car, and I don't see people that drive a BMW 5-Series saying, I think I'll spend 5-series money on a Hyundai. I get that Hyundai has been on a roll with good products the past 10 years. But I think they are getting the benefit of the doubt. If GM said their EV plan was an Equinox EV in the $40-60k range, an EV Malibu in the $50-70k range and an EV Traverse for $75-90k (all with no tax credits and limited availability) and they are going to kill off all their ICE cars, people would say Chevrolet is doomed.

Yes, let's compare this to your BOMB of an EQB. Mercedes-Benz EQB China auto sales figures (carsalesbase.com) EQB - Sold 473 in all of China for 2021 EQB - Sold 3,629 YTD in all of China for 2022 Tesla posts record numbers in China by selling 70,602 vehicles locally in Dec 2021 (teslarati.com) Tesla sold 319,102 units in all of China for 2021 Tesla sold 83,135 in September 2022 alone: Tesla sells record China-made vehicles in September following Shanghai factory upgrade (cnbc.com) To base it on Facts, MERCEDES is FAILING to build desirable EVs. The numbers of NEGATIVE Sales rates for 2022 is terrible. Mercedes-Benz Almost Doubled All-Electric Car Sales In Q2 2022 (insideevs.com) So before you say KIA and HYUNDAI cannot compete in the EV space, I would first be asking why MB is FAILING to deliver desirable auto's to the masses. KIA and HYUNDAI are on track to far outsell Mercedes.

Full size luxury car I said. That would be the S-class, EQS, 7-series, A8, Lexus LS, Jaguar XJ (which I think is discontinued now), Genesis G90, maybe you could throw the Panamera in there, but that isn't really a full size car. The Taycan and Model S are not full size cars. Bentley Flying Spur and Rolls Royces obviously are full size too.

You are trying to compare a mass market company vs a luxury brand that does less volume. The EQS outsold the Genesis G90, the BMW 7-Series, Audi A8, Lexus LS in the first half the of the year, their Q3 numbers aren't released yet, as I just checked. The EQS is doing well if it is beating its gasoline counterparts. Also I am looking more 5 years out. In 5 years time if an Ioniq 5 is $10k more than an Equinox EV how does that work for Hyundai? The bulk of Hyundai's customers buy Elantras and Tucsons that are sub $30,000.

I doesn’t matter how good the Ioniq 5 is if they can’t produce them. Same goes for Rivian and Lucid, if you can’t build the cars you can’t make money. The EQS is the #2 selling large luxury car ICE or gas, only because Mercedes also makes the #1 selling large luxury sedan. The Ioniq 5 is not the #2 selling small crossover. Mercedes, Porsche, Audi and GM are marketing EVs to current prices in their brands. I think this group has it right and the others we’ll see where they are in 2030.