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Steppenwolf (Canuck rock rules!)

YEAH! I BET! LOL Claude Lemieux...ex Hab player was THE reason for all that heated Detroit/Colorado rivalry. And what a fun ride that was. And now his son is playing with that same dirty shytyness with the Rangers. And Claude would be one of MANY reasons why I say the Habs are such a hypocritical hockey club and why I hate them so. I cheer for the Bruins because the Bruins actually have always played CANADA hockey. Meaning: CANADA hockey IS intimidation. CANADA hockey IS separating the player from the puck (with clean hits) CANADA hockey IS defending your fellow teammate when the refs dont wanna call the right call on the ice. And the Bruins do NOT shy away from that. They wear THAT style of play with pride. Detroit does also. And the many other NHL teams as well. But the HABS hockey club like to say they are above all that...but they aint...

> "And then Australia with just 66"< Yeah, just 66 species... Considering ALL of Canada, let alone Quebec where I reside, has only but a handful of venomous animals and from those maybe 1 or 2 could be deadly. I dont think "just" is a viable descriptive adjective to downplay Australia's rank...

I was just going to comment on how I saw 3 EV CUVs today on the way to a junk food grocery run but Balthy's Cutlass convertible just makes my news seem irrelevant and nondescript... Since I did come here to post something... 1. Tesla's red hued Model Y. Parked at the grocery store. Although the Model Y would be the frumpiest and ugliest of all Tesla vehicles, I must admit, Tesla's red colour is awesome and it goes very nice with this CUV... 2. White Ford Mustang Mach E. A suburban 35-40 year old milf-ey wife with two kids in the back. Divorcee? and part of her settlement was to purchase this to stick it to her cheating ex. Or maybe SHE was the one cheatin' and her new beau bought her this? All speculative of course as I like to conjure up stories in my head when Im out and about trying to entertain myself when my wife and kids are not with me... 3. Black Jag iPace. Boring Jag. Nothing of interest to report other than it was...black. I didnt even want to bother with who was driving it...

Good-Bye cannonball tree!

I never liked "the Immigrant Song" from Led Zep. There is something very cringe about the song to me. And I cant put my finger on it as to why I think this way other than I dont like it at all. So NO! You are NOT alone in that regard @trinacriabob. I feelz your pain.

On a similar level, but in the sports world. NHL. The Colorado Avalanche decided to pay homage to the team they inherited in 1996 this year when the NHL decided that all their teams were to create an alternate jersey. The Quebec (City) Nordiques moved to Colorado. Colorado aptly named Avalanche won their first Stanley Cup that very same year they moved to Colorado. Impressive.

Genius

LOL I am not really into pick-up trucks as you guys know. SUVs... Well...I do like some. My preference for a type or style of pick-up truck stems from the military work horse truck. Mainly WW2. The latest pictures I posted gives you a glimpse into my world. I have always been fascinated with WW2 machinery. Guns. Tanks. Planes. Trucks. Etc. And, to me, German and American military hardware are some of the most beautiful machines created from WW2. Not getting into my hatred of the German war machine of 1933-1945, I sometimes have an internal conflict of posting that, but I cant escape the fact that German tanks, guns, planes...halftracks...are indeed, beautiful designs. Ditto that American half-track. And American WW2 war machines too. Since I dont have another outlet to post some of those things (and I dont really want to post those in the Random Thoughts thread just in case somebody might think Im randomly thinking in invading a country or something, I wanted to express my love affair of WW2 machinery. It started out as a Toyoter 4Runner. It ended with a Dodge Power Wagon... Dodge Power Wagon (WW2 workhorse truck) lead into the Chevy G506 1 1/2 ton 4x4 workhorse truck. Which lead into the half-tracks.

Well... I keep on saying it. Politicians all over the planet want to move away from ICE. As quickly as they can. I am NOT surprised that they will come up with ANY kind of solution, law, plan to accelerate the disappearance of ICE on our roads... ICE can be with us for another 50 years. Easily 50. ICE could exist 100 years from today actually. But the planet's leaders do NOT want that. Hydrogen for transport trucks will probably BE the defacto fuel going forward. Not BEV. I do NOT know what will power airplanes and boats in the future. But I DO know and Im NOT surprised that planet Earth leaders from ALL levels of government will pursue the death of gasoline powered personal transportation vehicles as soon as possible. Unconstitutional or not. Its going to happen. And the more I read shyte like this, the more I see that BEVs WILL be the SOLE vehicles we drive BY 2035. European and Asian cities WILL ban internal combustion engined vehicles in their URBAN areas. Some North American cities too. To ensure that internal combustion enthusiasts will NOT keep their internal combustion powered cars, some politicians WILL infringe on your rights and freedoms by trying to pass shytty laws like this. And you know what? Judges, even if challenged, will DEFEND a law like this. Words are powerful. And could be manipulated. And like I said, the writing is on the wall for the internal combustion engine. Whether we like that or not...

What I understood of all this is that the State of California, especially Sacramento County, is ensuring the death of the internal combustion engine. And to accelerate that to happen.

Im not...Im comparing the MSRP NUMBERS to a 2021 Edge.... Im saying that a 2021 Mach E has 2007 Ford Edge specs. Im aslo saying that it does NOT matter to what we are comparing the Mach E to... And about interior numbers...yes...the MAch E is Escape-ish. Exterior numbers are Edge-ish. But..the ESCAPE is the second entry CUV for Ford. Starts at 26 000 dollars. Its not quite entry level stuff, that would be the Ecosport, BUT the Escape is not for the well off monetarily folk either... The Edge is for a tad more affluent people. The Mach E is DEFINETALY for the affluent folk. Like I said... a person who wants to buy a base model Escape is NOT looking at a Titanium 40 000 dollar Edge. Shyte...a base model Escape purchaser might not even buy the base model Escape but will but the top trim Ecosport instead... Catch my drift... OK... I mentioned that a 34 000 dollar HYBRID Escape might entice somebody to forgo that purchase and he might try to get himself into a 42 000 dollar Mach E.... But...to determine what savings EVs have over ICE and 'how many years it will take to' math exercises is USELESS BECAUSE a HYBRID Escape is ALREADY into the electrical world. AND...it does NOT take a genius to figure out what the better value is as a well equipped Escape Hybrid is ONLY 34 000 dollars... So...what we want to do here is to determine what a COMPARABLE FoMoCo ICE CUV is to a FoMoCo BEV and how that compares to "what savings EVs have over ICE" and 'how many years it will take to' math exercises... And THAT is where the Edge comes in... Keeping in mind...the Mach E is NOT really geared up to take FULL advantage of its EXTERIOR dimensions as its a LIFESTYLE CUV...HENCE the MUSTANG MACH E nameplate... The ESCAPE takes FULL advantage of its exterior dimensions as its more of a family CUV. THIS current Edge is also more of a family CUV...rather than the 1st gen Edge which had a sportier persona. But this gen Edge does not shy away from its sporty intentions either. Keep in mind that FoMoCo also has a larger CUV in the Explorer that is less sporty and more family... The Mach E is closer in spirit to the Edge than it is to the Escape no matter what you may think... So... At the end of the day...all that does NOT MATTER.... At THIS point in time...EVs are PRICIER than there ICE counterparts. No buts, ifs or ands. At THIS point in time...the question is NOT about what has more value, ICE or BEVs or what x amount of years it will take to arguments... Its whether a person WANTS to adopt the EV lifestyle or if that person does NOT want to... But...keeping it real... Lets be honest... |Its closer to the truth to take a 35 000-40 000 PURE ICE vehicle that is CLOSE in specs...ALL specs, than to take a 26 000 vehicle to make an argument. AND...not a HYBRID model either... Seeing the Edge has NO hybrid...seeing the Escape HYBRID is part of the EV family...than a 36 000 EDGE makes the MOST sense... That would be an additional 2 000 dolllars to the equation. I saw that his argument went from 17 years to now saying a decade to two decades. He kinda admitted (without wanting to) that the calculations might be down to 10 years... Well 17 years down to 10 is quite a lot. But Im sure using HIS California numbers its clsoer to being 9years as his price different was 16 thousand. (42 thousand minus 26 thousand). I halved it when I did 34 000. Well...using the more realistic scenario of an EDGE... the NEW math is 42 thousand for the Mach E minus 36 thousand for an Edge... the price diff plummets another 2000. Now from 9 years, we are saving another year at 8... 8 motherphoquing years is not 17... And then if we want to use Quebec as an example NOT California...that 8 years shrinks down even further... It dont matter... Whether its 10 years like he corrected himself reluctantly...or the closer real calculations which would make that 10 years be less than, and if wanna use Quebec or not...well...its definitely NOT the overdramatic, fully disingenuous 17 that he first tried to peddle... But Ill repeat...it dont matter... What vehicle we choose, what numbers we want to use.. The bottom line is right now...IF we CHOOSE to buy an EV or we just stick to ICE... If we choose to buy EV, then we have to learn to live with some of its drawbacks. We ALREADY KNOW that EVs are slightly more expensive...

Pre-emptive response (because I gotta go to work and do not know when Ill be able to respond back) Keeping it real... Let's be honest about the choices of cars we used.... It does not matter what CUV from Ford we are going to use to compare it to the Mach E... NOBODY that is thinking about buying a base 26 000 dollar Escape is thinking about upgrading to a 40 000 dollar Edge let alone a 50 000 dollar Mach E. (double the price of a base Escape...) Like I said...lets keep it real. The would be Escape Hybrid owners might want to jump to a Mach E. Ditto for a would be Edge owner. Would be SE Hybrid Escape ($28 000) owners is still far away from their dreams of owning a BEV. They know that. They wouldnt be upgrading to an Edge let alone to a Mach E. THAT is why I went with an Escape, or an Edge, that had a price tag of 8 000 dollars MORE than what was given to us as an example. 34 000 dollars is a SE plug in hybrid or Titanium Hybrid Escape. 36 000 dollars is a SEL Edge... Then the next in line Edge is at 40 000 dollars.... You folk could now decide what numbers to us that makes this kind of exercise more logical...

And THEN...there are MORE variables to consider. THIS lovely example we are currently at, is with folk who drive AVERAGE miles per year. And obviously, EV tech is still in the adoptive phase... Back to my point... there are folk who exceed that amount by quite a lot. And in Quebec, yes Quebec, California is NOT the center of the universe.... That price difference between gasoline and electricity just accelerates the savings... Its no surprise that EVs are more expensive still, than their ICE counterparts. At THIS point in time, its if you want to make the change or not. Its if you WANT to adopt EV tech, or not. It does not take a thesis to discover that fact.

Well... you took the lowest priced Escape in your example. I said that the Mache E is closest to the Edge rather than the Escape. It dont matter. But Id say...if you want to be TOTALLY unbiased (because your views on climate change is certainly telling when you are explaining that it will take 17 years to pay off the difference in savings) Id say, people just dont buy base vehicles anymore, so it dont matter what vehicle we choose to compare the Mach E to. But Id say, an Escape lease or even a sale would be closer to the low to mid 30 000 dollar range. While the Edge's base starting price is already to 32 000, Id say an Edge lease or sale would be about the same as the Escape which would be mid 30 000s. Never you mind that the Edge creeps up to where the Mach E resides in price... It dont matter, Ill give you an increase of 8 000 dollars in your lovely example. Then...Ill go on and use QUEBEC as an example rather than California. The price difference for our NEW example remains constant, even when CDN prices are to be used. BUT...where as YOU live in lovely, sunny California, I live in frigid Quebec. (Well, at least during winter...) 20 cents per kw/h. You'de be shocked (pun intended) to learn how low we get to have our electricity. ALL RENEWABLE... Find out. It be a fun exercise. Our gasoline prices.... Ill tell you this one. 1.23-1.26 CDN dollar per LITER. times 4 equals (because there is 4 US gallons to a metric liter. 5 CDN dollars per gallon. 5 CDN dollars per gallon. If you want to, you could do an exchange rate, but that disadvantages you even further. Like I said...the drama of "taking x amount of years to" is not as...dramatic as one seems to make it. @ccap41 https://carbuzz.com/compare/ford-edge-vs-ford-escape-2021-se-awd-vs-ford-mach-e Like I said, the Mach E is right smack in the middle of the two. Keep in mind that I said 1st generation Edge. The 2nd gen Edge grew a little while I also think this generation Escape also grew a little from the previous gens. It dont matter. Its all semantics anyway.

Id say...Ford Edge more so than the Escape. Not to take away from your argument, because I agree with what you are saying. I just think the Mach E is a closer match to the Edge than it is to the Escape. The Mach E is slightly longer than the current Escape but slightly smaller in length than the 1st generation Edge. And the current Escape is visually smaller than the 1st gen Edge... In other words, the Mach E is right in the middle of both but because the Edge has a sportier image and look, especially the 1st generation and the Mach E is well, a Mustang... So... the price difference is that much less. But your argument does hold water, but the price difference between ICE and EV in THIS case is NOT that dramatic either...

We shouldnt take away what that couple had to deal with. Which is the CORE problem. A charger network that seems to be wonky. IF the charger network had been decent, then there is NO news to talk about REGARDLESS if the couple charged at home or not. IF the charger system had worked, then the ONLY thing that is stupid here is the stupidness of the couple NOT using the ONE perk of owing an EV properly. Which is the CONVENIENCE of charging an EV vehicle AT home and leaving for your destination with a FULL CHARGE making a destination that much easier without the need to charge up and wait longish times to do so. They didnt. But...it SHOULDNT have MATTERED... HOWEVER... We SHOUDLNT also forget that we SHOULD know what the phoque it is we are BUYING and getting ourselves into when we are buying techno and/or mechanical shyte. We SHOULD know how an automobile works. Even more so an electrical one since its new technology that has been introduced to us.

Analysts are saying that VW group will be the top EV seller in about 5-10 years from now. Im glad they see a need for them to replicate what Tesla is doing. Its gonna help their image and VW EV ownership that much better for their customers. A way to build brand identity and hence brand loyalty?

Yeah. The Parthenon. I just love that building. I found that pic worthy of me to have it displayed. I see where your inspiration to listen to that album came from. The sun beaming through the clouds. Inspiration comes from all kinds of sources and cues. ?