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This is all you wanna do...right?

stop trolling. THAT is my problem. STOP trolling. YOU didnt read anything. You wanted to troll David or myself or whatever JUST to be a contrarian... Phoque off with that! Leave this go and contribute to something POSITIVE in this thread... Not this contrarian bullshyte you wanna do. Dont phoquing confuse contrarian with disagreement. Stop the trolling... I already dealt with your trolling right here @ccap41 Now...STOP THE TROLLING and the back and forth for a 3rd time I ask of you!

@ccap41You got caught trolling. Own it. If not. Phoque off!

I got something for you guys...] STOP THE PHOQUING TROLLING! If YOU guys do NOT believe this to happen, the DO NOT post in this thread! Plain and simple! If you happen to be skeptical. Great! Come with a GOOD argument. Because if not, then what I say IS true. Its EASIER to whine and diss while the PHOQUING planet passes us by. THESE articles that Dave and I post are actually SHYTE that is HAPPENING in the world. THESE people ARE going to make it happen as its ACTUALLY HAPPENING as we speak...

Well...I have an open mind. YOU clearly don not. In this instance...YOU found fault where there was none as there were NO details. You got called up on it and yet here we are... In a circle jerk of nothinginess... You brought up a Harley Livewire where there was NO need. THIS was about a JAPANESE battery consortium thing. IN A LOGICAL POSITIVE THOUGT PROCESS, one could deduce that a MORE ADVANCED battery pack WOULD BE AVAILABLE BY THE TIME THIS ENDEAVOR would come to be... THAT Harley is already 2 and a half years old using 2 and a half year old battery tech... Dont be a deflecting on me now... Got it???!!!

I see... Problem is that the Japanese bike consortium thing does not really dwell into that...just maybe it could be a thing to swap batteries on a road trip. The battery swap thing is more of a battery pack that is the same between the consortium and one could keep the battery pack and swap company... Its a partnership that has started a couple of years ago. There are no known engineering details yet of this endeavor as Im assuming the engineers and production logistics folk are still in the thinking stage on how this will come to be... For me: my nudge against you remains the same. Its easier to whine and diss and sitting around with doing nothing but whining and dissing rather than understanding what the rest of the world is doing and we just sit there while the rest of the world passes us by... The four companies created an organization back in April 2019 for this sort of purpose called the Swappable Battery Consortium for Electric Motorcycles. And the group has now announced that the manufacturers have agreed on the specifications for motorcycle batteries that can be interchanged among each company's motorcycles. So if you have a Suzuki, you can use a Honda battery, or vice versa. This idea presents quite a few interesting possibilities. The manufacturers could sell bikes with or without batteries, since you might already have a battery from your previous bike, or just another one you own, so you wouldn't have to shell out to buy an entirely new battery. If, for whatever reason, you needed a replacement battery, it should be easy to get one, since the same type would support bikes from a variety of manufacturers. The pipe dream of battery swapping stations might even be feasible because of the standardization and support. And having the batteries relatively easy to remove could be good for apartment dwellers, since they might be able to bring a battery inside to charge. The manufacturers haven't said exactly what the specifications are for these interchangeable batteries, nor when they'll be implemented. But we'll be eagerly awaiting more information in the future.

Nah you didnt... https://www.gogoro.com/smartscooter/2-series/plus/ if you actually took the time to read and understand what the phoque it is you are reading...you would see that 1. this is about scooters a) Asian countries in and around...Asia...which actually does include India, folk get around by bikes and scooters and the like... 2. you would have read that this particualr scooter has a range of 170 KM...or slightly more than 100 miles. Maybe 105 miles. Nobody is talking about long road trips with these. Its clearly you having an agenda against this...for whatever reason. I wanted to show that the Japanese manufacturing companies are going to engineering bikes so that their batteries could interchange using the same battery pack. THAT article states that if you wanna buy a bike without a battery, you could if you already owned a previous motorcycle so you could bike swap from Yamaha to Honda to Suzuki. The initial purchase would be with a battery, and then you could buy another bike without the battery, saving you money JUST buying the bike. Keep the battery long enough and it starts to degrade, BECAUSE there will be soooooo many bikes on the road with THAT same battery pack...meaning mass production will probably make that battery pack that much cheaper, one could buy another battery pack that wont be too much pressure on the wallet. You could charge that battery INSIDE your home/appartement/condo/office building etc. And other ways that will make such a thing a positive. The scooter article was DIRECTLY DIRECTED at YOUR conversation with @David regarding India's future and THEIR plan to go fully electric. David said that Indian people DO use bikes and the like, and there was much noise about that...no need to rehash the details of THAT conversation... There is a sticking point to what the Asian countries wanna do with batteries. Whether we are talking about the Taiwanese scooter thing or the Japanese motorcycle consortium thing, they want to make it easier and cheaper for people to use. And to go fully electric...by 2030-2035. Cheaper because if there is a STANDARD battery pack across the board with the 2 wheeled variety of transportation, that will enable folk to change over to electric that much faster. Ease of use BECAUSE these battery packs will be interchangeable. AND...if MORE batteries are in production, the cost per unit of production of batteries WILL go down. And THAT will be for ALL batteries as a battery pack from Tesla or from the Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda consortium will probably be the SAME kind of battery... The Taiwanese link is the company's actual website and it states that they are investing in NEW tech batteries for even greater range and cheaper to produce... I guess it easier to whine and diss than to clearly understand what the REST of the world is doing...

I dont think these are going to be produced like the cheaply made Chinese products that Walmart and Dollar Tree sell to us. If GM is serious in bringing these to North America, or similar small EVs, Im sure GM will make sure they are not junk. But then again, GM did sell Vegas, Citations and Chevettes to Americans. Oh...the calendar says 2021 and not 1981? That's right...2021. Here we are bitchin' that EVs are waaaaay too pricey and electrification is damn near impossible because there is suuuuuuch a low take rate yet this thing exists...with an interesting marketing angle. Sold like designer clothes. Like everything else we buy in North America since...I dont know...the 1980s, with both the young and the old. The Millennials, Gen Xers and the bloody Boomers... We are conditioned to buy consumer products this way anyway... With Disney AND Nike co-branding... An angle like that seems...fun. Like who knew cars could be fun again? And affordable. If I were them, Id try to get Hot Wheels involved as well. And since Nike could be a co-branding entity, why not try to get the NFL, MLB, NBA and the NHL involved for North America too. Id buy a Boston Bruin or a Darth Vader (Disney owns Star Wars...) version of this over a ho-hum Chevrolet Bolt any day of the week! I absolutely agree with @daves87rs 's post above mine!!! A basic car, that is affordable. And it be fun to buy since it looks like it could stylized like a customized car, but at the car store (GM dealership) directly...

lots of whining? Dude, I have never remotely been to Taiwan. I dont order from Door Dash or Amazon. I dont even use the self serve counter lanes at the grocery store nor do I use the self serve menu at McDonald's. But Im quite adept with technology and inserting my visa card in receptacles and I could change my propane gas tank on my BBQ once in while and when I clicked on that link and saw and read how things are done...I dont even Bixie and yet Im sure I could do this ease... Did you even click on the link or are you THAT skeptical on how easy it is to do so? 200 000 battery swaps per day it says. 95% of all scooter owners in Taiwan use the system. Or are you that in dis-belief that in other parts of the world, folk actually do just fine without being soooooo cuddled... I mean, are you THAT cuddled? Like seriously... Like how many phoquing road trips are YOU taking...on a phoquing scooter...for phoques sake???!!!

This video put a HUGE smile on my face regardless if Im not a Porsche guy to the fullest and Im not really into manual transmissions and Im embracing an all EV future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvnJr82oULk

The link https://www.gogoro.com/ is both related to the battery swapping consortium plan of Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha/Suzuki for future EV Japanese motorcycles that I just posted above this post and to the conversation we had about India and how India will be electrified. Gogoro is a Taiwanese scooter company doing exactly that. Battery swapping and the like. Click on the link to see how they are actually doing since 2015 and another solution on how the planet, especially in countries where mopeds, scooters, bicycles are THE transportation mode, a solution on how the planet will become fully electric by 2035. Dont want to cause any hurt feelings, but some of us North Americans really do whine a lot and really do nothing else. We dont really innovate anymore. Taiwan has a working system out already with EV battery swaps for scooters... Guys...we've been so comfortable in our smug, shytty ways and so phoquing blinded by our shyte politicians with their corrupt lobbyists pulling our wool over our eyes that we havent noticed that former 3rd world countries are kicking our ass...

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/03/26/honda-kawasaki-suzuki-yamaha-motorcycle-batteries/

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That is all I ask of that post, is for us to discuss the various angles to which we hold judgement on what is of value. Of what is something worth. Technology? Lux interiors? Speed and performance? Ive only seen 2 Mach Es so far. The Ford dealership near my house where I bought my wife's Fusion, they had one outside. And on the road. I have not gotten the opportunity to sit inside one myself. I saw the interior much like yourself and I deduced that its an interior like a Titanium trimmed Edge. Ive not sat in a recent BMW therefore I could not comment on how upscale BMW's have got since a decade ago, but a titanium trimmed Ford is on par with BMWs of a decade ago. But on the flipside, that 50 000 dollar BMW X4 also has a 4 cylinder engine. My internal struggle went deep. I was thinking about how GM and Ford kept on whining on how they can NOT build small cars in North America as its too expensive for them and they can NOT make money on them. With THAT thought in mind, I internally made the connection that EVs too, the tech behind them, OEMs can NOT make money on them on the lower priced scale as the tech and batteries are too expensive for them to make any money... Yes...I know. Not quite the same thing. But its an angle that I wanted to tackle just the same. There is more. Speed and performance. While Im NOT doubting that the regular X4 may not be a slouch despite its 4 cylinder, the Mach E DOES spank it in performance. Both performance models start at the same price at 60 000 dollars but the X4M shoots up in price THAT much faster. All for an inline 6. I believe no V8 is offered. With THAT in mind, we are now seeing a RETRACTION of cylinders with the internal combustion engine for high end products. THAT would be another angle I wanna talk about. We are seeing that the V8 that was all too common not too long ago, as the decades have come by since the 1970s, the common V8 is now an aristocrat's engine. A little less lux interior versus state of the art powertrain for lesser 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder ICE, to which the electric powertrain will trounce the ICE counterpart in speed and performance... FoMoCo could have gone to sell this product as a Lincoln, price bump could have been made...a nicer Lincoln interior to rival a Mercedes or BMW etc... They went with a Ford. A Mustang name plate. marketing reasons. They figured they could make money on an EV that starts in the 40 thousands... With a controversial nameplate. Keeps a buzz about the product... Seeing average transaction prices are at 40 000, the Mach E is just there at that price point...the point of my exercise was to show that EVs are not really THAT far off with price parity with ICE. I had some logic to it. If one has an open mind about it, much like yourself, THANK-YOU, one could have a different take on this whole EV/ICE thing and to how we will get there by 2035. Couple that with crude Chinese EVs that are 4000 dollars which are not as far off in concept and execution and price corrected from a 1920s Ford Model T... Yes...yes...we have come a loooong way from a Model T and our vehicular expectations... THAT is NOT the point of my angle here... There is a middle ground here to where affordable EVs NEED NOT be crude 4000 dollar death traps and NEED NOT be high priced (like a Tesla Model S) or toys like the Mach E either. There will be an EV that WILL be sold in the mid $20 thousands to $30 thousands that will be the equivalent to a Ford Escape. Its not now, but by 2035? Maybe...

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