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No they are not. When...all these things I mentioned will boil over and it turns out to be negative for Tesla...their stock value will lower considerably. It already has gone down considerably. Dont also forget that Tesla's value is more based on speculation on what shyte comes out of Musk's mouth. His over-promises has skyrocketed Tesla's value. But his under-delivery has also made Tesla's value drop like no other in history too. Tesla value dropped soooo much in January. And investor's have made it clear that they dont accept Musk bullshyte no longer. It remains to be seen what Tesla stock value will be by Dec. 2023... Jan 2023 https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/1146941980/tesla-shares-elon-musk-twitter-electric-cars Dec. 2022 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-07/tesla-tsla-stock-slump-investors-frustrated-by-elon-musk-twitter-distraction#xj4y7vzkg Like I said...Tesla's luck and charm WILL run out. Just a matter of time if Musk doesnt fix himself and his company that he chiefs over. Means nothing. Like I said...in the car making business...it takes CONTINUAL amounts of billions. And it takes investors and loans to finance NEW models. It takes business plans to secure loans and investments from investors. And it takes prrof that you have cars in demand. Tesla cars are SLIDING in demand. Tesla had to resort to OLD DETROIT ways of doing business. And that is to slash prices. In China...all that did was make its competitors to do the same. Dude...LEGACY automakers have been down that road many many MANY times in THEIR 100 plus year history. Nothing new to GM, VAG or Ford. Toyota has never had to do something THAT drastic, but Toyota knows how to deal with that kind of thing. https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/25/23571618/tesla-q4-2022-earnings-revenue-profit-prices-demand GM has had 100 plus years of business. Banks and investors KNOW when to trust GM and when NOT to. Investors are finding out that Musk is a blowhard used car salesman... See how THAT turns out for Musk when Musk will need billions upon billions to get a 2nd gen Model S and Model 3 and Model Y... In 5 years...GM will have 30 NEW EV models to sell... Tesla will STILL be peddling ANCIENT Model S and Model 3 and Model Y. Ford sells 1 million F150s ALONE. Not. A. Chance. VAG is on the verge of letting loose their OWN 30 NEW EV models to compete with...GM. LOL. Toyota is behind... But BECAUSE Musk is such a bullshytting used car salesman, Toyota EV will have surpassed Tesla's in about 5 years... Everyone thinks that Toyota lags in EV tech. They dont. They have the hybrid thing all figured out by far from everyone else. They WILL figure out to do EV specific platforms. They know about batteries and EV motors. Not hard to catch up. Toyota rabid fanboys are more plentiful than Tesla's, I worry not for Toyota. Tesla is NOT in a very good position right now. Hyundai, GM, VAG, Toyota, the Chinese EV brands, Stellantis, even FoMoCo after announcing they will lose 3 billion dollars this year in producing EVs look healthier in terms of stability than Tesla is...

You do know that Tesla is pushing their luck, right? NHTSA is investigating Tesla for their autopilot baffoonery and fraud and if they DO find Tesla's autopilot AS fraud, then Tesla will more than likely be charged and found guilty of criminal negligence. And THAT is something no OTHER producer of cars has EVER faced. And THAT is saying a lot from all the shyte this industry has shat upon people 100 plus years ago... Some investors are suing Musk for involving Tesla with his Twitter purchase. THAT whole mess doesnt look good for Musk and consequently Tesla. And...between that Twitter thing and Musk's over-promising and under-delivering on many Tesla things, investors have startedto lose faith in Tesla slowly slowly. The longer Musk sits as CHIEF executive officer at Tesla, the more investors lose confidence in Tesla day by day ESPECIALLY when he opens up his shytty mouth.... Profits and billions of are one thing...but in the CAR making business many many MANY billiions are needed CONTINUOUSLY and if Tesla doesnt have the trust from investors or banks sometime in the near future...and its a very very real possibility...then they cant finance NEW models. And as you know...new models and the next star car is what keeps a car company alive... GM, Toyota and VAG have NO problems with that. And... All of those 3 companies at one time had lost trust from bankers and investors...and GM had to restructure through a bankruptcy...unfortunately for Tesla, Tesla is not as big as GM and therefore restructuring wont be a thing for them... Meaning...bye bye Tesla. And Tesla wont BE the first car company to go under to never return.

The video of Airforce One in Ottawa, welcome to our country Mr. President...it took you long enough... Anyway, looking at the vdio of the Boeing airplane JUST by itself...AND...looking at the airplane AS Airforce One...BOTH are MAJESTIC the way the video is shown to us. I LOVE IT!!! 1. As THE Boeing 747 2. As Airforce One

You are talking about the Challenger, right? There are so many cars mentioned above your post, Ive lost focus. I view the Challenger (Hellcat for me as its my favorite trim), not as a quarter mile queen, but as a top dog muscle car, and muscle cars is what I like mostly, and I also equate muscle cars as comfortable cruisers big enough to haul family stuff that make nice V8 sounds and go like stink when pressing on the 'go' pedal. A Mustang or Camaro or a Trans Am, which would be muscle cars too, but smaller ones in the pony car class, are too small for my tastes. A Challenger was and is a tad smaller than the mid size muscle car segment, but a tad bigger than the pony car segment. And since TRUE midsized and full sized muscle cars dont exist anymore, then the Challenger is the one that I drool over all else in the muscle car segment today. I love a Mustang and Camaro too. However, there exists 2 cars that are not really in THE muscle car class, mainly because of price, luxury. These 2 cars are mainly marketed in the LUXURY class and these 2 cars is what I really really like in 2023 besides a Challenger Hellcat. Yes...its a BMW. I would have preferred if the Cadillac was toned down in luxury a tad and marketed and sold as an Oldsmobile. Although I love a Cadillac, Im not a Cadillac type of guy. A Cadillac type of guy is like a 1%er. Im not that. Im a well educated, hard working blue collar type of guy that has done well financially for myself. And Oldsmobile fits THAT bill for me. And alas, Im not a prick either, so a BMW is a no go as well...

Thanx to @David, I now know what colour that is. And it is a stunner. I like too!!! Agreed on all accounts! That shade of green would be great on an Escalade and the Lyriq. I agree.

Subtle is a nice way to go. Especially the way the 300C SRT8 was in 2013. I agree!!! With me though, Id like to flash a little bit of the wild side.

Id go for the original Hellcat hood. All black. Just 6 chromed Hellcat logos. 1 on each side of the front fenders and 4 on the wheels. The center caps. The mags from the original Chalenger Hellcat. Black mags. Wide body. And when I say all balck...I mean all black. Just the Hellcat logos are to be shiny and blingy chrome. That is it.

Feels right at home, doesnt it???!!! Not forgetting its got German ancestry... Id say the ONLY good thing to come out of that merger is that we eventually got the Challenger, Charger and Chrysler 300 from Mercedes. Not forgetting the Magnum wagon. I often think about what it be like if the 300 got Hellcatted and the Magnum as well!. Id rock a Magnum Hellcat with a current gen Charger front end! Id definetely trade in my TL for a Hellcat 300 and to hell with Quebec gasoline prices. Id sell a kidney to finance the gas for one. LOL

I have the same thoughts as you do. Nothing is clear about what actually happens to the Charger and Challenger. Im also under the impression that only the V8s are gone. I think the inline 6 will be the last gasoline engine to power Stellantis vehicles in North America until Stellantis in North America goes all EV. And that includes the Alfa Romeos both SUVs and the Quadrofolio sedan. Although I miss the V8s in the Mopar muscle cars already (and they are not gone just yet...), I am curious to see what kind of Challenger (andCharger) that inline 6 will make them into. Although Id prefer a lighter new platform Challenger (same size though) for the inline 6 to power, I am down with an inline 6 to them. And I agree with @smk4565. I dont think they are truly gone just yet. And like how he says it...as 6 cylinder models.

You are not entirely wrong though... Stellantis has this new inline 6... Brand new. It hasnt debuted yet. But it will. They will put this engine into something and sell it like soon. Like in 2024 soon.

I wanted to give a vote on this post. But I dont know which one to give. 1. I cant give an upvote because although I agree with the post. I dont also. I mean, I UNDERSTAND what you mean, I agree with you, but I dont as I, my wife really, doesnt mind a small FWD car... And THAT is where I dont agree. Not with the statement, I undersatand your statement, but I dont mind a small FWD car... 2. I cant give you a heart because...well...see above. 3. its not a negative vote... 4. Its not a Hell Yeah vote. Because obviously this kinda car could actually BE in my driveway. But not for ME. For my wife. Because for ME, I ALSO dont care a whole lot for a small car. I dont mind the FWD part though... 5. Its not a sad or confused vote... 6. Its not a great idea. Its not educational. Although it might be educational as we just educated ourselves as to how you feel about small FWD cars... 7. Its not a facepalm So its best not to vote? So this post gets an upvote instead... Depending how small it is, if its too small, then maybe my wife wont want it. For now, if we need to get a brand new EV...for her...its a Chevy Equinox EV. For me. NOTHING is out there that I would like to own. ICE or EV. Sure...a Challenger or Mustang is always nice. Those arent too usefull for my needs though. Maybe the Dodge Banshee/Charger EV that is still a concept might be the answer. Or Ill bight the bullet and get myself a CUV. The Mustang Mach-E.

LOL Doesnt surprise me. As much as I have given shyte to Hyundai and Kia for theft problems stemming from corporate idiot decisions, Stellantis (Dodge) should know better to protect the these cars from theft as these cars have been on the hot list since at least 5 years now. And they still havent done anything to address to curtail some of the theivery done. Yes...I understand a thief will always find a way, a back door of sorts, but proof that Dodge has done nothing to curtail this problem as theives steal them straight from the dealership. Not good! Bible thumping Republican? Of Fox News swillin' morons? Nothing will arise. 1. hypocrites 2. too stupid to see the irony

The only question left is, what version are you? I am THIS version!!! But if Im buying a Challenger for myself...I dont want or need a Last Call version. Nor a Demon. A regular Hellcat is what I always wanted and that hasnt changed since 2015. Ill go with a Red-Eye. Regular or widebody. Uniform body colour all the way through or black hood. No stripes. Original hood or twin snorkel. Prefer the twin snorkel hood though. In those 3 colours.

I too...am DEEPLY dissapoint in the name. I understand the 'fun' reasons where the 170 number comes from, its just abnormally boring coming from Dodge. 1. The name is brain numbing boring 2. The reasons beind the name is even worse. 170 ethanol proof???!!! The phoque???!!! At least reason #2 is a tad more exciting as its the code number for the Hellephant crate engine: C170 But, its the name they chose and so Dodge will sell every Demon 170 they make and truth be told, it seems like any and EVERY Last Call Charger and Challenger will ALREADY have collector car status and most of them are not even built yet.

Nah. Its lazy.

Nah... its lazy journalism. Nah...its lazy. When the writer switches between 911 trims to determine the E-Ray to be better... Better in what? There are many 911 flavours and the ONE flavour that the Vette exists in...a hybrid, the 911 doesnt have one. Going back and forth of one Vette trim to take on a plethora of 911 trims cherry picking what the E-Ray does better is exactly THAT. LAZY. Its not subjective. Its biased. Aaaaaand...LAZY. When I say that automotive journalism should lax it against the hatred for American automobile, I dont mean blind faith in them because this journalism is the exact reverse of what I bitch about hatin' on American cars. We dont have to praise OUR cars by putting down foreign ones... And this article, although it doesnt put down a 911, it uses LAZY metrics to dawn the Vette E-Ray the winner. The winner of what? That the E-Ray is better? Better in what? A biased dumb metric based on reasoning JUST for the Vette to win? There was explaining of what the 911 is all about. People cross shopping the Vette and the 911 wouldnt buy the Vette or the 911 on NONE of this journalist's metrics. These metrics are just the journalists own personal views. Journalism is NOT about providing PERSONAL whims into play. THAT is just easy and lazy. Journalism provides FACTS. Not facts presented in a way to JUSTIFY a side. THAT is what that article does... Its OK... My view is what we say...subjective, maybe? You got that right. That journalist used his feelings to write about and therefore I could use mine as well to write my own journalistic point of view.... That journalist used nothing of fact to determine if the E-Ray is better. Just what he/she thinks is better. And I dont agree with that assessment. And Im allowed to. And I countered. And I wanted to show @David that wait a minute...the E-Rayis good. Excellent even. But...because the 911 is more expensive and the Vette is less expensive and does 90% of what the 911 does, THAT metric ALONE does NOT make the Vette to be a better choice. Its just in one metric. And the fact that the writer took SEVERAL 911s to prove that the E_Ray is better...just proves that the 911 is just a vehicle that has MANY trims that are lazer focused. The Vette is more of a Jack-Of-All-Trades sports car. NEITHER method is neither superior or inferior. But yeah...

@David The first 8 minutes explains what the Porsche 911 GT3 RS is all about. The first 8 minutes should give you an idea how much engineering goes into the RS model over and beyond not only over the regular GT3, but ANY road legal track ready sports car. When somebody says the Corvette E-Ray is better than the Porsche 911, well...if you do pay attention to what and how the 911 GT3 RS is, then you'll realize quite quickly that the journalism is, like I said, lazy... On a side note, the guy said that the GT3 RS made a Nurburgring time of 6 minutes 49 seconds. The C8 Z06's time at the Nurburgring has not been set just yet. A set back on the course happened last year. BMW and Tesla crashed and their cars. Chevy is said to be back though. It is also said that the time for the C8 Z06 will BE under 7 minutes 100%. Some say it will be around the 6 minute 50 second mark. Not too bad either way... 1. The Porsche 911 lives on the Nurburgring. It is its home playground. Porsche spends and ENORMOUS amount of time and money to set records there. 2. The C7 Z06 didnt set an official time there either because of set backs on the track involving other cars and accidents. Yeah...the C8 too... But, the Corvette does not live there and the Corvette also has other playgrounds that it needs to play in. Like drag strips. 3. Corvette is a jack of all trades sports car. The 911 is a precision machine and the Nurburgring is where it operates. The Corvette operates at all kinds of racing digs. Drag racing, street light to street light and at the Nurburgring. For the C8 Z06 to get close to the 911 GT3 RS's time at the Nurburgring in its heavy GT luxury body is a testament of how good the Corvette engineers really are. But it still remains that the GT3 RS is still a scalpel. The E-Ray might be a great Corvette, but it all depends of what kind of comparison we want and what kind of 911 we want to talk about. Anyway...enjoy Jay Lenos garage. This episode is a great way to understand what the GT3 RS is without any fanboyism and without any positive or negative bias. The narrative is as truthful as it could be.

Let me add a couple as well: Skiiers who leave their ski ticket tags on their jacket for years on end. Most of these guys go skiing twice a year, maybe. Have a minimum of 10 tickets on their jacket zipper. Their oldest tag dating back at least 8 years. Bicycle bikers biking with the most expensive bicycle money can buy, biking with full biker regalia with aerodynamic helmets and skin tight lycra pants and 2-3-4 water bottles stuck on their 15 000 dollar bike, biking in the middle of the road, dont matter if its a grand boulevard or a one lane suburban road refusing to bike on the side to let car traffic go through all in the while peddling so phoquing slow that a 5 year old on his Huffy with training wheels could pass him/her.

I would have loved it more if I was in my 20s and the calender would be sayin' 1993 instead of 2023. I got Camaro RK Sport vibes when I looked at that Cadillac I was lusting after this body kit and look with the blacked out headlights and backlights, mags and wing for the Camaro back in the day. Just like any other kind of boyracer styling. I guess not so much now. I prefer a clean CT5 Blackwing. I hopelessly still love that Camaro though!!!

I like the steer-by-wire technology. We have this tech with brakes and transmissions, why not steering???!!! And leading up to street-view-glass. Which I equally like. Like the guy said, it frees lots of space. Of course GM had this idea 20 years ago with their Hy-Wire concept. Anything-By-Wire would be aircraft technology, so I appreciated the fact that the dude points that out. Like @surreal1272, I love the van look to it. Like @Drew Dowdell and @surreal1272, I view the Canoo more as a work and commercial van than a lifestyle thing. What is this "lifestyle" terminology thing anyway? Its just a marketing buzz word. Im not skeptical about the folk that do 'lifestyle' things like skiing or hiking, but Im very skeptical about needing a special 'lifestyle' vehicle to partake in said lifestyle lifestyles. A Canoo or Rivian arent anything special for marketers using this term 'lifestyle' to stick it as a label for their vehicle to sell. This Volvo done the lifestyle thing without the moniker and NOBODY thinks its that special... Other than its a Volvo station wagon and 1970s teachers and liberals drove them because they were also safe cars. The safest in fact. These westcoaster Californian surfers also had their choice of vehicle for their lifestyle choice too... Basically what Im saying is that you dont need a marketing bullshyter to sell you a moniker for your choice of vehicle to enjoy and live your lifestyle livin' and doin' But if a Canoo can lifetsyle your lifestyle, then go ahead and drive Canoo or Rivian or Aztek... All in all though. I like the Canoo in all its forms.

Nah... All the 'flak' that you talk about was and is not NEARLY as intense as the pitchforking the Detroit 3 got. There was even plenty of excuse filled deflections. ESPECIALLY with Toyota's unintended acceleration floor mat issues WITH the Amerian press AND the American Toyota sheeple. With diesel gate... at the same time with Hyundai/KIA... I wanna know HOW in the HELL does VAG STILL have enough followers in the US to continue doing business here. Remember this commercial? SUPERBOWL, brotha. it aired during the freakin' Superbowl... Aside from some fines...where was the FRAUD false advert lawsuits? Where was the American "we got duped" backlash? This is waaaaay before youtube and spotify and twitter misinformation podcasts for the misinformation lies to become a part of American culture. This media format hadnt been invented yet. News outlets in the US were more or less truthful. So...where was all this pitchforking when GM STILL gets grilled for the phoquing Cimarron half a phoquing decade later? There was and STILL is plenty of American public STILL not giving GM or Ford the time of day... Cadillac introduces the ATS and IMMEDIATELY American media makes us remember the aforementioned Cimarron. Brand new EV Hyundai's have problems but not one American news site mentions the horrific Pony... Naw... the INTENSITY of Detroit 3 hatred IN the US has NO parallel. The foreign makes in North America basically get a free pass. Its blatantly obvious. And you know it...

Sure... American press should be harsh on American companies fudging up. But... 1. European press was and continues to be harsh on American cars now and then. 2. American press was and STILL is not harsh on EUROPEAN and Asian cars when those are fudged up. 3. European and Asian press was and STILL not harsh on European and Asian cars when those are fudged up. But when European and Asian cars are on par with the shytyness of American cars during the malaise era Id expect the same amount of harshness to go around IN THE PRESS and I CERTAINLY would expect the blowback from the folk to be the same as well. As with the Hyundai and Kia rant... I would have LOVED to hear folk that bought V6 Hondas, any phoquing Honda with a V6 from the 1990s until today, and in the 1990s, it didnt even have to be a V6, and when the transmission failed...I would have LOVED to hear Americans SWEAR off Hondas 4 EV-R. When phoquing Hyundai was selling shyte, like literal shyte in the 1980s into the 1990s and quite honestly...well into the 2010s..and as it seems...today too I wanna know how in the HELL is Hyundai STILL selling cars in North America when the PRESS and the American people HOLD shyttyness to HIGH PHOQUING STANDARDS like they DO with General Motors, Ford and phoquing Chrysler???!!! When...TOYOTA pulled the ULTIMATE arrogant manoeuvre, more than GM and Ford and Chrysler has EVER done with the oil sludge thing of Camrys and certain Lexuses in the 1990s and blamed that problem unto the consumer... the American press lightly covered THAT problem. And there was NO my brother's father's sister's roomate had a sludgy Camry and Toyota REFUSED to fix it so now I will NEVER EVER buy a Toyota EVER again... Let us remind ourselves that the Camry in the 1990s was starting to become America's best selling car and continued to BE for the next 3 decades after that. And Toyotas problems were NOT limited to that...Toyota snowballed with all kinds of defects and recalls to become at that time the car maker with the MOST recalls of all time. Yet NOT one SOB in the press or civilian buying Toyotas EVER whispered a HINT of discontent. We all know that German cars suck after the warranty is gone...since the dawn of time. Prehistory... Where are the phoquing pitchforks like we have pitchforked to death the Detroit Big 3? Catch my drift?

The C8.R edition is just a sticker and badge trim job on the Stingray Z51 to commorate the race bred C8R. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-chevrolet-corvette-c8-imsa-gtlm-championship-edition/ Let's just say the Chevrolet Corvette C8.R race cars did pretty well in the 2020 IMSA series, taking home three different titles. To commemorate this, Chevy whipped up a special edition package for the 2022 Corvette Stingray: the 2022 Corvette Stingray IMSA GTLM Championship Edition... ...The foundation for the Championship Edition is the Stingray 3LT Z51 in either Accelerate Yellow (to honor the No. 3 car) or Hypersonic Gray (the No. 4), to which the special edition adds a $6,595 bump. That upcharge nets buyers contrasting accent stripes—gray for the yellow car, and yellow for the gray—and a bevy of special touches. A Carbon Flash-painted high-wing spoiler, yellow brake calipers, black-finished "trident" wheels with "Jake" center caps, Carbon Flash-painted mirrors, black rockers, and splash guards are the main pieces. And don't forget the large "C8.R" decal on the flank. Chevy will offer a GT3 class race car for the public to buy. But it wont be a road legal car. It will be a legit race car whoever wants to buy it to race it legally on a race track. It will be 95%-99% like the C8R but with a modified 5.5liter from the race car. Not from the Z06's car. Although the race engine and the road car's 5.5 liter are about 90%-95% the same... https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38224296/chevy-corvette-z06-gt3r-revealed/ Customers will soon be able to race the C8 Corvette Z06 GT3 race car that uses the same chassis as the road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter V-8. Chevrolet Racing will offer a Z06 GT3.R customer race car starting in 2024. It uses the same aluminum chassis as the C8 Z06 road car and a modified version of the 5.5-liter flat-plane-crank V-8. Customers will be able to race in the IMSA WeatherTech Series and other GT3 racing series with the Z06 GT3.R. Just to tie this in to what we have been talking about, the Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a road legal, pure track machine that one could race on the track, but also drive on the street. Chevrolet would have to take the Z06, delete all the heavy GT luxury options, cut more weight off the chassis by using more extensive use of carbon fibre...use ACTIVE aero. This is what an RS version of the GT3 is all about. The C8 Z06 GT3.R had it been road legal by adding road legal stuff to it such as headlights... would be a further step of being a more RAW road legal track car of a GT3 RS Porsche. Just to give you an idea of what the Porsche GT3 RS is. order of track car rawness that strays farther than a GT car 1. GT3 equals Z06 2. Z06 with Z07 package 3. GT3 RS 4. Z06 GT3R if it were road legal with added street legal and necessary equipment https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/911-gt3-gt3-rs GT3 GT3 RS CarandDriver ranks the Z06 as the track car to buy...but that is because the Z06, or any Corvette for that matter, is a FRACTION of the price of the Porsche's starting price...any 911... But when discussing driving dynamics of the track cars in question, the weight and the weight transfers around corners and everything that a track car should be doing right, the Gt3 and the GT3 RS have the Corvette Z06 beat. Some performance metrics and the Z06 actually beats any of the 911 GT variants, but as an over all track performance car, its the 911 that edges out the victory. Its not a bad thing that the Corvette loses to the 911 this way. Its not a bad thing that the Z06 beats the 911 in some of the performance metrics. Its just a testament to how focused the 911 really is as a sports car. Its a testament to how much R&D is put into the development of the 911. Hoe refined and tuned the 911 is and how dedicated Porsche IS to the 911. Its also a testament to Corvette engineering as to how serious they are in giving the people a sports car that is sooooooooo close to a Porsche 911 at a FRACTION of the price. And when we talk about aftermarket tuning for Corvettes for the SAME amount of money spent on a Corvette modifying it as one would buy a brand new 911, the Corvette WILL spank the 911's a$$. But factory to factory, the 911 is still THE sports car to beat. No doubt!

I defend the Corvette when I see the Vette be disrespected. But I am not a blind fanboy either. The Vette has its place in the sportscar world. Its even benchmarked by Porsche although Porsche will NEVER admit to it. But I dont like reading nonsense disrespecting another giant in the sportscar world. Whether it be a mid-engined V8 Ferrari or Porsche 911. All three, Vette, Ferrari and 911, all have cemented their place in the sportscar world and all three do their thing their own way. None are better than the other. Each has its own path and an enthusiast need NOT choose one over the other, but an enthusiast SHOULD enjoy either of them for what they are!