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Me too. Despite my then, American car bias, today, I sorely miss all those sporty 2dr hatchbacks and coupes regardless of where the country of origin these cars were from. Nothing like that is being made anymore. And those kinds of cars back then, were more or less affordable for a 20 year old to buy. At least in base form. My friends in the 1990s all drove these kinds of cars. And most of us were not rich kids either. Just kids with regular, shytty jobs flipping burgers, selling shoes or stocking shelves... Like the shytty jobs kids have today paying for their schooling and trying to buy a vehicle to get to school and work and maybe a date here and there.

In my case, I completely understood the concept, and I cant wait for the other conversations to start. In my case, in 2022, , for me to turn back time and choose from the list you gave, the 1st editions of brand new models, like I stated, would be the Mitsubishi/Mopar triplets. But since I did own a 1989 V6 Firebird...turning back the time for me is just returning back to a model year vehicle I actually owned. Maybe I didnt buy the Firebird new in 1989 and bought it used just a couple of years later. But still. And yes, the Firebrid at that time was definetly not a new model entry, it was 22 years old at this time. But in 1989 , the sports car that I lusted after was a Trans Am. Be it the Turbo 20th Anniversay or the new 4rth gen F Body Trans Am when I bought my V6 Firebird used from a friend. And while in 1989, I did love a Mitsubishi Eclpise and Eagle Talon, I much much MUCH preferred THE Trans Am. So that would be my story for when I was 16-17 years old in 1989 and 20 when I I actually owned a 1989 model car.

There is an advantage of being a short person. At 5 feet 6 and a half to three quarters nearing and almost BEING 5'7", I got no problems fitting in these cars. Let the fun times roll! From the list that was given to us, Id gladly take the Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon/The Plymouth Laser triplets. With those Turbos spooling please. A friend had an Eagle Talon TSi AWD. I believe it was a 1990. 2nd gens were awesome! Loved those! AWESOME that you got to experience them @surreal1272!!! And the MR2! I had a 1989 2.8V6 T-Top Firebird in 1993-1994. Now, between my '89 V6 Firebird and a '89 Eagle Talon Turbo, I think Id get myself THE Turbo. But NOT the Eagle Talon... Pontiac's version of a turboed car. @Robert Hall's choice of the Nissan 300ZX TT would be in 2nd place for me. The Eagle Talon TSi would be tied in 3rd place with my V6 Firebird and Pontiac's other turbo car for 1989. So 3 cars in 3rd place. Rounding up the list would be the Nissan 240SX. We dont have cars like these anymore. Fun fun fun things to drive...

That is a 440 right there. And why am I posting it and why is it special? Because if we divide 440 by 10 we get 44. And 44 I believe is a special number. Happy Birthday!!! @Drew Dowdell

Electric city and school busses I knew about. I also know about their intentions of wanting to sell there other EVs in North America. What automanufacturer doesnt want to sell cars in North America? Funny thing is that China today, is the world's biggest market and not North America... But wanting to sell here and actually selling here is one thing. And then...doing it successfully is another. The Japanese were succesful (to a degree) because Acura, Nissan AND Infiniti, Suzuki, Mitsubishi have had various degress of success but now in 2023, not so successful... This is because in the 1970s, a world oil crisis caught Detroit without an answer. More to it than that, it caught the North American way of life by surprise, NOT just the Detroit auto makers... Self hatin' Americans LOVE to SOLELY blame Detroit for that, ignoring they had a HUUUUGE say on how the Big 3 handled that oil crisis. Ignoring the fact that Americans LOVED their huuuuge chrome laden land yachts and thristy muscle cars just a couple of years prior... Japan (and Europe) was used to producing small 4 cylinder shyte boxes and they were already here so when the oil crisis began, they actually had the right products to sell us. But NOT because they were any good. They used less gas. Some cars they built were good. But Detroit too built good cars. Their 4 cylinder response though, was disatrous because they needed those right away. But now, with EVs, Detroit is NOT caught with their pants down. They are engineering GREAT EVs. American EVs of Tesla, Ford and GM are LITERALLY the BEST in the world... BYD, if they sell here, better have EVs that are better than the American ones, which us a TALL order to fill, if they want to survive a decade let alone be a leader in the US market... Cheap EVs is NOT the answer for America. Americans do NOT want cheap anymore. They want affordable. They want NOT to pay a big price but they EXPECT quality. Ford and GM WILL deliver on all that. Tesla might not on the quality, but they are STILL the benchmark... BYD...might deliver on price. But quality? Cheap and shoddy engineered will fail. Ford, Chrysler and GM know about cheap and shoddy. Honda and Toyota also know about that. Honda and Toyota failed MISERABLY in North America in the 1960s because their products were cheap and shoddy. Acura, Nissan AND Infiniti, Suzuki, Mitsubishi were cheap and shoddy at the HEIGHT of Japanese market share in North America. In 2023, they are struggling in North America. Yes, even Acura... cheap and shoddy. Late 1990s and early to mid-2000s Acura reminds me of late 1980s and early 1990s GM and Oldsmobile... If Mercedes doesnt change their game going forward with their shoddiness, they too will start losing out in North America. And their EVs are pointing in the direction of fail in the US market... BYD is not a factor. And wont be for a loooong time. Tesla Model 3 BYD Seal Maybe Americans like Chinese cheap knock offs. They sure love cheap Chinese made Wallmart shyte. So maybe you are right, BYD may be a force to be reckoned with... Who knows?

In the US market? Im not really following this thread. Did I miss anything. When has BYD decided to sell in the US market. NHTSA has greenlit BYD EVs for the US market? Im confused. Cybertruck was never a real threat. Cybertruck was never a real attempt for a pick up truck. Cybertruck is just eye candy. A poster vehicle for teenagers and geeky Tesla sheeple to put up in the bedrooms and their garages. GMC HUMMER EV does a better job at being a poster vehicle AND it being an actual legit EV product. And despite a recent but small recall, HUMMERS are being ordered like no tomorrow. As of July 2022, General Motors had 80 000 orders. REAL orders. https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/07/gm-has-80000-gmc-hummer-ev-reservations-so-far/ As of Oct 2022. Hummer orders are SOLD OUT for at least 2 years. GM has capped that number, to which I diont know what number that is. The article below says that there is a 90 000 unit reservation. I guess 90 000 is the break even point. GM has capped it somewhere and it has sold out for at least 2 years. Im guessing that the Silvardo EV and the new GMC Sierrar Denali EV will pick up (pun intended) where the HUMMER EV leaves off, and then some, until GM gets the true EV pick-up truck replacements on line. (With a configurable beds) https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/10/gmc-hummer-ev-pickup-suv-sold-out-for-at-least-two-years/ The Cybertruck hasnt even started production yet. Mid 2023... And with Musk concetrating on Twitter, and Musk being a micro-managing moron, despite the already delays to get the Cybertruck on line, since late 2021, there doesnt seem to be any urgency. Buying Twitter. Not buying Twiiter. Accusing Twitter. Laying low for two months to buying Twitter again and firing almost everybody and having some poor schmuck take photos of him working hard on....Twitter seems to be more important. So really, you mentioning Cybertruck as some sort of GM competition sometime in 2024 was not really a discussion point. Cybertruck was dated when it was introduced. Only a handful of people were awestricken with it. That was in Nov of 2019. That was 3 years ago to the day almost. It comes out now, its old news. It will come out 2 years from now. That would be 5 years from when it was first revealed. It will be ancient by then...

If I was a young, single, upwardly-mobile professional in the mid '60s and early '70s, Id gladly own these

Sure... But your opinion would be wrong, tho. Just sayin'.

Well, the Series 1 doesnt have that boxy SUV look you drool over, so Im not surprised you dont like it...

Keep at your trolling, brah. You do you.

It dont surprise me... That is how YOU misinform yourself on many things. You troll or you willfully ignore info because it does not suit your ideologies... You do you.

Im not tryin' to convince you. Just pointin' out that whatever you are doin' is not correct. And it is JUST as convenient to rent an EV in 2023 than an ICE, perhaps MORE so, BECAUSE the hotel has a charger ready available to you to use. Just as somebody has a charger at home to use, same principle here. Vacationer goes back to hotel to juice up and have 300 mile range again in the mornin'.

Maybe Im thinking it wrong. About a Corvette EV SUV... Sorry.

EV Corvette yes. But we knew that from almost the time that Chevy showed us the C8. Corvette engineers were being coy about it, but as a viewer of the C8 launch, you just knew that the C8 EV was to come. Just a matter of time. The SUV Vette however is not confirmed. Autoline 'suspects' that the electric Vette that is to be built in Grand River plant in Lansing will be an SUV... Because Buick EV SUVs will be built there. Along with a big Cadillac sedan. But that is not proof that a Vette SUV is coming. Tadge Jeucter, Corvette chief engineer hasnt been coy about a Corvette SUV or Corvette expanding a Corvette brand. He has DENIED it firmly that as long as he is Corvette chief engineer, none of that is happening... I believe that a Camaro SUV will be that Chevrolet performance EV SUV. A Camaro branded SUV. Not a Corvette one. Bowling Green is not shutting down to build EVs. Not just yet. They shut down to, normal, to upgrade to C8 castings from the C7. But that retrofit did not include EV manufacturing capabilities. Thus the EV C8 to be built at Lansing at the Grand River plant... More to it, Autoline only casually mentioned an EV SUV Vette not even acknowledging that the C8 E-Ray hybrid is out and about right now in camo... A full on BEV C8 is what Autoline should have reported on as that is what is the next big C8 Corvette announcement is gonna be. The Z06 is on sale now. The E-Ray will be in production probably this year, closer to the end of the year and when Chevy confirms it, Chevy will confirm the BEV C8 which is what Autoline falsely believes will be the SUV EV Vette.

Hydrogen aint never happenin' Not now. Not in the future. The video I just listened to that explains the waht is what on hydrogen spells a very grim look about hydrogen storage, hydrogen efficiency and the elephant in the room....the possible boom. A possible boom and aftermath wasnt even addressed in the video but it was hinted at when talking about storing it very reinforced containers and in liquid form in the Bimmer 7 Series releasing hydrogen after the car maybe left in place for 17 hours. Only good thing about any of that is that what everybody LOVES to talk about hydrogen. The by-product of using hydrogen as a fuel source is H2O. Oh...BTW, @ccap41. The dude says that the average Joe Blow likes to have his vehicle travel 300 miles before refueling... I aint trying to convince you to change your mind... I just like to pinpoint how shyte your opinion you hold is when you say that renting EVs today from Hertz is actually a hassle as compared to an ICE car today... Its not. 300 miles is what ICE cars do today. Its a standard that when engineers do their cars, they calculate the MPGs with the engine and power and weight of the vehicle and engineer the appropriate gasoline tank to achieve 300 miles. 300 mile range is the holy grail and EVs TODAY pretty much achieve that... If you are staying at a hotel... working or on vacation... https://electriccitycorp.com/hotels-with-ev-charging/ But that aint your thang...discussing with inteliigence... SEMANTIC driven bullshyte is your thang. Trolling... Not changin' your mind. Just proving you gots no argument. You could continue on your path of trolling, I will continue on my path of dead ending your trolling.

T-Tops Oh sure, we still have a car or 2 with manual removeable targa tops, like the C8 Corvette, but there was a time when there was another type of manual removeable top. The T-Top.

The actual successor to the original Cobra. Not the Viper. That one is a spiritual successor. And it wasnt a flop. It went away, but it didnt die quietly or unnoticed or unloved. The actual successor that Carrol himself designed and engineered. The Series 1 Shelby I think would make for a good story. It was engineered with all the usual high tech stuff of the day. Stuff that supercars today use. Aluminium tube chassis. Carbon Fibre in some body panels. A DOHC V8 (from Oldsmobile) producing 320 HP from 4 liters gets the HP per liter folk excited mounted completely behind the front axles for a front mid-engine design that supported a torque tube 6 speed ZF transaxle for optimal weight distribution. It had all the tech. It had the looks. It had the speed when the 4 liter Northstar variant produced a then almost class leading 450 horsepower making it get to 60 MPH in a blistering even for today 3.8 seconds and a 12 second quarter mile time. Just about the fastest in its era in those categories. It wasnt a track specialist of a car. Some other supercars of that time had slightly better spec in handling and braking, it was a very competent sports car. It looked the part of a Cobra successor. It had the speed and sound of a 1960s roadster, but perhaps the Viper that was launched earlier in the decade captured all the attention and had all the visceral performance that the Series 1 couldnt match. And it showed in the sales making it a flop. And even today, the Series 1, with only 249 of them produced, doesnt make anybody miss the car and their values are low. Vipers on the otherhand are starting to become desireable and quickly becoming quite expensive to obtain.

A historical account of why VW, mainly Piech, wanted to do a VW luxury car. The Phaeton. Where VW stood before the Phaeton and the lukewarm success of the Passat/A4 that got VW and Audi back on track from the not so good 1980s to where these brands are today and the success they have today. What cars were on its platform and the derivatives of that platform. Audi A8 and the various Bentleys, etc. Its a story that has been told many times before, but I think its a very relevant story that needs to be retold. This car has shaped VAG in many ways and elevated even Porsche. VR6, W8 and W12 engines would be another story or take on the Phaeton story to be told separetaly. Corrado and Golf GT VR6s, Passat W8s, Phaeton W12s and Bugatti W16s... The history of the Subaru SVX might be an intersesting story too. Its boxer 6 and intersting reasons for having split side windows makes for a pssible good story too.

I wonder what is more urgent for Elon to fix? The million unit recalls his cars are faced with last month and the transport and logistical problems or the free speech Twitter ownership thing? Great humanitarian, philanthropist and leader he is. Bless him.

No..the Rolls is disgustingly ugly 380 degrees all the way through. Yeah...380. Its not only ugly all around, but shall add another 20 degrees because you gotta do a double take to make sure you really did see an ugly POS... Call the ugly 1/4 rear of the Celestiq a MAJOR upgrade over the Rolls? I know you can do that. Because nobody in their right mind would say the rear 1/4 Celestiq is uglier than the whole Spectre car... Cool and all, but it IS the way some automotive parts are to be manufactured in the not so distant future... Many cars right NOW use 3D printing... Maybe you dont get all to excited by it, admittedley it aint that exciting. But I have a sneaky suspicion that you aint too excited by 3D printing is because Cadillac mentioned it. Had it been Mercedes mentioning it, you'de be shyttin' your pants with glee... You gotta be kidding, right? Maybe trolling? Because I doubt you are clueless... I KNOW you are not... So, perhaps playing that sheriff game you like to call @surreal1272 up on? Here, let me post a couple of pics to call you out on that dumb remark... That led to this The led to these adverts... Oh...if those are too old for you and antiquated. Anmd you are a Mercedes fanboy to boot... Something along the lines of...engineered like no other... I saw these posts a week ago... I refrained from answering. Its annoying as phoque reading this kinda shyte... The semantical bullshyte analysis. The fake gotcha moments...

The Lucid Air is a sports sedan. The Tesla Model S is also a sports sedan. These high performance cars need the range because the more speed in acceleration and high speed hijinks one does, the more power required and hence more juice you use... I dont know where the Mercedes EQS is on the luxury spectrum, but the Celestiq and the Rolls Royce Spectre EV coupe are for quiet, leisurely jaunts. These are not even daily drivers. 300 mile ranges is more than enough to get where you wanna go. The event you are going to in these vehicles dont start unless you have arrived. And then you go back home when everybody sees you owning these. Meaning, these are going to be event only machines. Dont get me wrong, I was kinda wishing Cadillac was showcasing 500 plus miles in these, to showcase the best of the best the Ultium platform and batteries and the Celestiq have to offer, but in reality, it aint necessary to have 500 plus miles.

During my quarantine time, I was also watching The Killer play his piano. I had to use my history to get the videos back, but I did succeed. The news is out, all over town... rest in peace Jerry Lee.