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Premium? 35 US gallons equals to 132.5 liter as per google calculator. Premium in Quebec is 2.15 dollars/liter That would equate to approx 285 Canadian bucks... Holy sheet that is a lot of dough!!! If one in Quebec daily drove that, he would have to fill up every 3rd or 4rth day... That would be approx 7-8 times a month... 2000 dollars/month. 24 000 dollars a year... In a nomal time, that number would be at half that amount. 12 000 CDN dollars per year. yeah...either way, I dont want or need space or a V8 THAT bad.... Its a lot of dough for being 6 feet 6 inches tall...

Absolutlely!!! I trolled many Ford fans over at MT forums about it being stupid, but I was trolling them. I use it in the summer a lot. During baseball and softball practices and games. I dont feel like carrying my keys and wallet with me so I leave those in the car. (The Fusion duh...we will use the Fusion over the Acura in these situations as much as possible. Almost ever time.) Lock it up...but use the keypad to get into the car. The personal items are kept out of site so nobody will break into the car... I will also use it when we go at an amusement park or a waterslide park. Why have a risk of loss at the park (baseball or amusement park), and its high, when a break-in risk is soooooooo much lower in a parking lot park... Its an awesome feature. Maybe when my kids are no longer at the age of us going to such parks my use of it will diminish. But as of now, as still a family man, its almost a need!!!

That article shouldnt be taken lightly...

I mention McDonald's a lot. yeah, I eat there from time to time even though I own a fast food joint of my own. Hey...a Big Mac is a Big Mac and a Quarter Pounder with cheese is a Quarter Pounder with cheese... I will ALWAYS love those even though I can make my own at MY restaurant. Like I said.... a Big Mac is a Big Mac and a Quarter Pounder with cheese is a Quarter Pounder with cheese. I dont drink sodey pops. At my restaurant or at any other restaurant. Ill have a milkshake from time to time but a bottled drink like water or juice is what I have. Not from a fountain for a cup and lid. From a bottle that has a cap. So I could manage without a cupholder. When I leave the restaurant to come home, I wont eat as Im usually coming home to supper with the family. I used to eat a hotdog or two when finished work, but those never lasted long enough to make it to the car. LOL I dont eat hotdogs anymore. (all that much) Ive cut down considerably. I am closing in on 50...

yes, we as so called enthusiasts dont care for mundane shytty things like a frunk. OR a cup holder. Im closing in on being 50 and I still dont give a shyte about a cup holder. Oh....I APPRECIATE a cup holder as many a time it came handy. But I dont drink in my car. I eat from time to time but I dont hang out at the drive throughs all that much. I also had a 1985 Oldsmobile Delta 88 in my mid to late 20s when drinking Gatorade was a thing to do, or a Coke from Mickey D's was a must, but I managed then and so I can manage now. But a cup holder DOES have a place in our lives. As does a frunk. When one will use a frunk for the very first time, one will want one. TRUST ME!!! Like Ford's keypad entry system. I had one in the 2007 Edge I bought my wife. We didnt have one a for a short time, but then came the Fusion and now Im thinking, I need one on my next car purchase... NO!!! I dont want to carry my phone with me.... If I didnt mind carrying a phone, I wouldn't mind carrying key. I have found the keypad VERY useful and almost a need. Yeah, Im thinking about a Ford Mach-E for myself for my next purchase. For ME. 1. Its a MUSTANG 2. Its an EV 3. Its GOT a keypad... 4. We ignore the fact that its a CUV because its a MUSTANG. And NOT only in name. It handles like a sports car. Its sporty like a sports car. Its fast like a sports car. But take a look at number 3. Its got that keypad. Plus a frunk that I could use for the restaurant.

Concerning Tesla loyalty. Do NOT underestimate the sheeple-ness of Tesla owners. There is a small percentage of them that are curious to to see what the other EV makers are offering and will try to experience them, but the majority will not budge. Kinda like an Apple user. And exactly like an Apple user, most will scoff at what the other OEMs are doing if the other OEMs are NOT doing EVs like Tesla is doing them. These sheeple have embraced the so called outside the box thinking for manufacturing vehicles and embrace Tesla quirks while scoff at OEMs for doing the same thing over the last 100 years. They especially hate GM for whatever reason. Every time I come across a family friend Tesla owner, they dismiss Ford's efforts, Hyyundai/Kia's efforts, Porsche's efforts and especially GM. Not that GM has anything of quality to showcase against Tesla at this point, these family friends will not acknowledge Ultium at all. They laugh at the Bolt all the time. Lyriq and Hummer is as if they dont exist and never will. They will find anything to nit pick the Mach-E and they consider the Taycan/Audi E Tron GT as subpar to anything Tesla. 3-5 years and this will change of course when VW/Porsche, Hyundai/Kia, GM, Ford will have new and fresher EVs on the road as compared to a possible 13-15 year old Model S that will look and feel the same as when it came out in 2012 if Tesla does not give the Model S a 2nd generation. The Model 3 and X would be closing in on 10 years old by that time too... And if no 2nd generation of those wont be offered... The Model Y is newer but it too, will look and feel as if it would be 15 years old. The Model 3 and Y being bread and butter vehicles for Tesla... It will be interesting to see how these Tesla sheeple will react and buy... And it will be interesting to see where Tesla's head chief CEO resides in the Forbes richest man rankings... by then if the idiot doesnt see he needs a 2nd generation of all his offerings...

There will be a future V-Series performance version is that part makes sense as to why the engineers forewent a frunk. Exchange and a trade-off back and front storage space between a trunk and a (lack of a) frunk would be an engineering choice for the greater good. As I have stated before. However, a lack of a frunk, even if some of us are discussing it as a no biggie is not exactly correct. Because it is discussed and GM engineers are defending that decision because it is discussed it is a point of contention with many. Ill repeat what I stated before. As an engineering solution, the Lyriq forgoing a frunk might be an excellent engineering choice. yada yada yada engineered that way to leave more trunk space, yada yada yada to have more room up front for a bigger motor for a future V-Series Lyriq. Possibly making the Lyriq a faster CUV than the Mach-E, Tesla Model X and Y. But as a marketing choice, BECAUSE its a point of contention with many...and it IS a point of contention with many, the lack of a frunk might just be a deal breaker. NOT the first time in the automotive world where a mundane issue like this causes a stir and where the buying public actually looks for when buyying a vehicle and possibly make a buying decision on. Cup holders comes to mind...

Not end of line. There is no vehicle out there that any human can simply sit it and not bump into something. One must contort in a way not to bump something even in an Escalade.... Im 5 feet 6 and a half inches tall and I could bump my head in the Escalade. Or Trailblazer. Or Fusion.. Or Acura. Or 1980s B Body fullsize GM. I have bumped my head in a 1992 Chevy Caprice... You are of German decent. The way you keep drama over interior room, one would think you were either Greek or Italian...

I dont know if this is legit or CGI, but if its legit, the F22 is more awesome than I thought it was. Looks like humans back here on earth could defend ourselves quite all right if ever the First Order decided to invade. Thee F22 could hold its own, if the video is legit and not CGI, and downright an X Wing fighter competitor. In fact, Id rather the Raptor over the X Wing. The X Wing doesnt seem to be able to out maneuver it... The X Wing looks good and all with Poe in the cockpit, but the Raptor could fall out of the sky flat and still actually fly... If its legit and not CGI. Its unbelievable???!!!!

@Drew Dowdell Gotcha. There is one no in my response to that. Just a single no to a single statement. To this: Cadillac needs to look farther than just customers coming from XT6/X5/GLE. Cadillac needs to steal customers away from Tesla. Customers from Tesla WILL look at the Lyriq regardless if they are hardcore Tesla fanboys. The curiosity factor always kicks in. And if they bought a Tesla or two or three in their lifetime and were satisfied with Tesla, maybe they are getting tired of that Tesla jellybean look. Superior looks from a Lyriq however will probably wont be enough to steal them away. Superior tech will.... But maybe, just maybe, a lack of a frunk for the Lyriq would be a missed opportunity for Cadillac to steal a customer away from a Tesla customer. Because Tesla tech is still the benchmark. Tesla's tech could still be better than Ultium. We dont know yet just how good Ultium is. And if Ultium just happens to be better than Tesla tech, it wont be by much and maybe a frunk could very well be that deal breaker... I agree that the Lyriq is a very good looking luxury CUV. It gets it done on the outside with its looks and body panels fitting properly. GM hasnt had that problem getting the panels to fit for a loooong time now. But it also gets it done on the inside. But Tesla sheeple dont care for that. Its all about the tech for them and the quirks that Telsa gets right for them. And a frunk is such a "quirk". I am of the opinion that I just arrived to today with this conversation we are having, that folk that have gotten used to a frunk, will probably still want a frunk. True that if you dont know what a frunk does, you wont be missing something that you have never experienced but you have to possibly give them a frunk if they are used to one. Aiming at XT6/X5/GLE customers is truly not setting the bar that high concerning EV sales... If GM wants a big pie, they have to look at what Tesla gets right in this segment. If all is equal between the Lyriq and Tesla products, Tesla sheeple will not be enticed to leave Tesla no matter how good looking and better build quality the Lyriq WILL be. Tesla sheeple dont look at that anyway. They dismiss it. Just as they will dismiss something as mundane as a frunk.

That would be you making a big deal out of both @ccap41 and my opinion on the matter. 3-4 posts in and we both came to a conclusion that it really is no big deal BEFORE you and @Drew Dowdell came in being all defensive... Go ahead and read the posts again. And the C8 (Z06) Corvette really does NOT need a frunk. Id be much happier as a Corvette fan if Chevy ditched the frunk AND trunk for a specialized, VERY track focused version of a Z06 to REALLY squash the Porsche 911 GT2 RS in track racing. But hey, lets have a frunk in a Z06 Corvette where the Z06 is about track racing but NOT in Cadillac's FIRST EV CUV... yeah...no biggie regarding marketing issues.....

@ccap41 and myself have not made a big deal out of it. However, I dont think its a novelty thing. Its not a deal breaker and it will probably NOT be a deal breaker either for other folk... However, if GM puts frunks in their other CUV offerings, then it ABSOLUTELY becomes a missed opportunity for the Lyriq to NOT have a frunk. Ive never had a frunk in m life. My ex partner had one in his Model S so I have witnessed what a frunk can do. He used the frunk in his Model S as his briefcase storage. That briefcase and other smaller plastic containers contained not so important papers regarding restaurant information and small objects. Instead of throwing that stuff in the backseat or trunk like I do, he opened up the frunk and in went these restaurant papers and equipment handles and chair nuts and bolts etc... I got that shyte in my trunk and then I lug it in and out of my trunk when I need my trunk space for baseball/softball equipment. No big deal as I can cope with it. But a frunk IS useful... no matter how big or small it may be. It can separate mundane things to bee NOT in the way to haul other shyte in the back trunk is alls Im saying. And if Mercedes will not offer a frunk, like Cadillac's slogan 'standard of the world' , Mercedes' "engineered like no other" falls waaaaaaay flat... And THAT is the full octane truth. (I could now be an internet blogger/flogger youtuber because I have an opinion.... and maybe I could now monetize this opinion. Maybe do a tik tok thing or an Onlyfans and show clips of me in my skivvies and possibly become rich and famous and a sex symbol of some sorts)

And about that Ford frunk. One could store windshield wiper fluid and some useful roadside tools like a first aid kit and a couple of screwdrivers and a foldable shovel or whatever leaving the back trunk free from storing that. I know I could store my windshield washer fluid and my baseball glove in that Mach E frunk along with maybe a few loose baseballs and softballs. Maybe switch up the balls with me keeping miscellaneous papers that contain notes and reminders for softball or thee restaurant itself... Point being....a frunk IS useful.. Now I know the Lyriq uses a nice storage bin UNDERNEATH the trunk's floor. Still though, it be nice if it had a frunk. This is all @ccap41and myself are saying.... @ccap41 said it CLEARLY its NOT a deal breaker for him for not having a frunk. I, on the other hand, could clearly not give a shyte as its a CUV to begin with and Im NOT a buyer of this vehicle with or without a frunk. However, if this was a sedan, and it wouldnt have a frunk, Id be saying the same thing as I am for it as a CUV.

And for God's sake @David There arent many vehicles that will accomodate you bro. You are 6 feet 6 inches tall with a bodybuilder's build.. We have discussed this.... YOU are NOT the metric to go by for interior space... Have you been to Japan? I havent. But Ive read that Japanese apartments are TINY... Are you gonna say Japan sucks because YOU will NOT fit inside some of Tokyo's space efficient apartments? Stop it already with your constant need to prove interior space performance using your metrics as a standard. Its not a good argument from you...

Hello? Its a CUV.... CUVs are for hauling family oriented stuff.... Hello? Its a sports car. Its PRIMARY job description is to go fast EVEN as a daily driver. The Corvette offers storage as compared to its competition because it also doubles as a GT car. But even as a GT car, its come to be a personality trait to have storage space, but THAT is the SAME kind of trait that a Corvette SHARES with CUVs and ESPECIALLY EVs. A frunk is EXPECTED... And the Tesla Model X's price range being higher has NOTHING to do with it. Its a CADILLAC wee are talking about. You know STANDARD OF THE WORLD no matter what price range we are talking about. But if you want same price range on a very smaller vehicle. Here it goes. Tesla STILL being the benchmark The Model Y https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-E47C4A6D-528E-419C-8C57-FD3864644C34.html Cargo Volume Model Y with 5 Seats: Front trunk 4.1 cu ft (117 L) Behind first row, second row seats folded 72.1 cu ft (2041 L) Behind second row, seats not folded 30.2 cu ft (854 L) Maximum total cargo volume with driver and front passenger 76.2 cu ft (2158 L) Maximum total cargo volume with 5 passengers 34.3 cu ft (971 L) Model Y with 7 Seats: Front trunk 4.1 cu ft (117 L) Behind first row, second and third row seats folded 67.9 cu ft (1923 L) Behind second row, third row seats folded 26.6 cu ft (753 L) Behind third row 12.8 cu ft (363 L) Maximum total cargo volume with driver and front passenger 72 cu ft (2040 L) Maximum total cargo volume with 7 passengers 17 cu ft (480 L)

How did their engineers find a way to offer both with great space? It is a large 'engine bay'. At this point, even if I said that 2 cu.ft is nonexistent, if the Audi could offer a frunk that size, Cadillac should have done the same. I have realized that people associate EVs with frunks and this is why you and I (and I think @David too) might criticize Cadillac for a missed opportunity with the Lyric. Forget about Silverados and Hummers, they gave the mid-engine Corvette a trunk and frunk when a mid-engined supercar, even as a Corvette, could have forgone a frunk, but they KNEW it would benefit Corvette because people EXPECT storage space in a Corvette. GM missed the part that people ALSO expect frunks in EVs... ESPECIALLY in the market that the Lyriq resides in. yeah......that would be the proper wording. Its not a big deal by ANY means. Just disappointing.

At 2.12 and 0.95 cu.ft for the Audi and Jag's frunk respectfully is a non-issue for the Lyriq not having a frunk. Maximizing the back trunk space as what the GM guys are saying for the Lyriq and the reason why they did it that way by-passing the need for a frunk sounds like marketing BS, until you realize that Audi and Jag's frunk space is nonexistent... To which GM's words then kinda make sense as the Lyriq does in fact offer more room back there. Frunk space is kinda expected though, for EVs, so there is that... Tesla Model X for a comparison as Tesla is the benchmark.... https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-91E5877F-3CD2-4B3B-B2B8-B5DB4A6C0A05.html Cargo Volume Table 1. 5-Seater Cargo Volumes Area Volume (liters) Volume (cubic ft) Front trunk 183 6.5 Behind first row, second row folded flat 2,410 85.1 Behind second row 1,050 37.1 Maximum total cargo volume with driver and front passenger 2,593 91.6 Maximum total cargo volume with 5 passengers 1,233 43.5 Table 2. 6-Seater Cargo Volumes Area Volume (liters) Volume (cubic ft) Front trunk 183 6.5 Behind first row, second row in max cargo position, third row folded flat 2,431 85.8 Behind second row, third row folded flat 935 33 Behind third row 425 15 Maximum total cargo volume with driver and front passenger 2,614 92.3 Maximum total cargo volume with 6 passengers 608 21.5 Table 3. 7-Seater Cargo Volumes Area Volume (liters) Volume (cubic ft) Front trunk 183 6.5 Behind first row, second row folded flat 2,314 81.7 Behind second row, third row folded flat 957 33.8 Behind third row 425 15 Maximum total cargo volume with driver and front passenger 2,497 88.2 Maximum total cargo volume with 7 passengers 608 21.5 The Lyriq's cargo space is plentiful and it would seem like an engineering choice to favour rear space over the use of a frunk. Is it a sound engineering choice? Possibly yes as the powertrain bits need not be crammed. Is it a sound MARKETING choice? Time will tell as many folk really dont understand engineering choices all to well... Nor do they seem to care. If they want a frunk, they WANT a phoquing frunk...

Ive read that the Lyriq has a 5 link suspension system front and back. Maybe that suspension set-up limits the space for the Lyriq?

Lack of a frunk in the Lyriq for me, not necessarily looks like a mistake. I dont feel like it might be a mistake. A lost opportunity to offer a tad more storage space is how I would classify it rather than it being aa mistake. Because I reserve my opinion to see how GM's Ultium platform is engineered and utilized. Yes, there is free space up there in the front. If GM engineered it for the use for powertrain bits, computing ECUs, electrical harnesses or whatnot instead of cramming those where the batteries are and limiting cooling hardware and other stuff limiting the cooling space for batteries, then Id say a job well done for GM engineering. Batteries, with what Ive read on them, need space and hardware to properly cool. All others cram all kinds of stuff in that batteerry space just to have a frunk. That is one solution that benefits the consumer for storage. But if cooling is not adequate, then it takes away from that advantage and becomes a disadvantage in another way in some form or other. If GM managed to have their batteries perform better than Ford or Tesla because they took away the consumer's advantage for a frunk, but gave the consumers a better performing battery, then the consumer has that as an advantage. Remember, batteries do catch on fire after and insufficient cooling might actual be a cause regardless how good Tesla cools their batteries....or anybody else's battery tech... Including GM's Bolt. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/22/tesla-fire-sacramento/ Maybe GM and LG have learned a lesson and maybe this is a solution? I dont know as I dont know how GM uses the frunk space for the Lyriq. I itching to learn more about it though. Would be interesing to know why the Hummer EV has a frunk and the Lyrriq does not. Is it because the Hummer has an abundance of space underneath where thee batteries go and the Lyriq is best engineered to use the frunk space instead?

@Robert Hall

I wanted the AVs to win. Not so much as the AVs winning as much as I didnt want Tampa Bay winning. The Lightning won last year. Not because they couldnt win it all without going over the salary cap. Because they could have won it all WITHOUT going over 7 or 8 million. In a loop hole. Congrats to them for benefiting from a loophole and the season started and ended for them perfectly where they benefitted from it. But it kinda still is poopy for this kinda thing to happen. But in the long run I was OK with it...up until John Cooper decided to whine about Kadri's goal to which he specifically said the league does NOT want Tampa Bay to win a Stanley Cup.... He could have whined about Kadri's goal not being allowed and he would have been justified with THAT narrative. But to cry and mislead into thinking that the league does not want Tampa to win is sheer arrogance and is NOT tolerated by me. The league allowed the salary cap loop hole in their favour to play out and eventually it lead to a Stanley Cup. The league didnt even reprimand Tampa Bay for Tampa losing draft picks.... They let Tampa go scott free.... Any team with a salary cup that exceeds 8 million could have won the Stanley Cup last year. Id say the league and the situation favoured Tampa enough. This year, a better team won. If Tampa had that same loop hole carry out this year, they would win it again. Id say, THAT is a worse unfair thing to happen to the other 15 teams last year than a blown call for them this year. Blown calls in the Stanley Cup playoffs is a tradition. Loop holes in salary caps are not... Phoque Tampa Bay Lightning. I do feel bad for Corey Perry though!!!

LOL that is THE idea. Im not too keen to have my face on the webs... OK...here is another clearer pic Head coach is Barbara, top left. My daughter is right next to her. Im the bald dude 4rth from left to right top. Leanne is the other assistant coach 7th top left to right. The other dude was just a dad that helped us with practices but was not part of the "coaching staff'. This was in 2018 Again in 2018, we joined a regional tournament in the middle of the year for fun and practice playing against other teams in the greater Montreal region. St Lazare, our nemesis wasnt at this particular tournament. We won bronze at this tourney as well. In 2017, a year prior, we were in that same tournament. We won bronze. For 2 years straight, we earned 4 bronze medals. 2 in small tournaments and 2 in the end of year bashes. In the middle of the year smaller tournaments, thee softball teams travel to the hosting regions area and play against otheer teams that have joined. In the end of year tournaments, you play against thee teams in your region, win gold in those and earn the right to play the Provincials. Against other Gold winning teams from other regions of your Province. (you might play against a team or two if you happened to join a mid-season tournament and that particular team was there as well...) win that tournament and play in the Nationals against other Canadian softball teams. And I guess this is how Canada's women's national softball team is recruited. Our league is one step below the A players. My daughter could make the A league, but she, and her mother and I, collectively agree that its too much softball and our focus is on schooling. If only Canada was like the US and offered sports scholarships in Universities.... I would have LOVED if my daughter (and she too wouldnt have minded) if she would have played for University of Michigan...for an example. We watch Big 10 women's softball games and tournaments all the time. We discuss things. Academics. And why THAT is soooo important. Sports and necessary, but if we are NOT blessed with natural athletic ability, schooling is a far better avenue for a career. And even IF blessed with natural athletic ability, schooling is necessary for a number of things... Dumb as a doorknob is NOT a way to live one's life... I played baseball when I was young, and I have showed both my son and daughter MY tricks. But, its always beneficial to watch how other athletes play the sport. Instead of "paying" a mentor or so called coach to "teach", sports on the TV offer a GREAT way to learn... I coudnt make any of my kids watch MLB on TV, but with the Big 10 women's softball, my daughter found a connection looking at other girls play fastpitch softball. And I must admit, I enjoy fastpitch ball over those pro MLB games as well!!! Less drama over unwritten rules and blown strike calls... If as a pro baseball player you KNOW the umpire will call a strike, just phoquing swing at the ball and hit it!!! If you as a multi-million dollar pro baseball player has a hard time hitting a particular pitch to which an umpire will call a strike on, even though it might BE a ball, just phoquing go to a batting cage and practice hitting those same pitches.... If as a pitcher you whine because of a bat flip or a trot because he hit a homerun off you, suck it up!!! Learn how NOT to throw cheeseballs so the hitters dont hit homeruns off of you... PS: 100+ MPH on a fastball and the ball will travel far... Especially when hitting today is all ABOUT the longball. Every swing is a homerun swing nowadays... Besides, if a batter connects with a 100+ MPH fastball, JUST connects with it.....its a feat in of itself. He hits a dinger with it, he DESERVES a little celebration. Learn to adapt to hitters being ABLE to hit 100+ MPH pitches and become THAT much better. MLB has become such a whiny phoquing league... women's fastpitch softball is sooooo much better and entertaining...

Thanx man! We've been through a lot. Its been probably more than a decade that we have been throwing jabs at each other at the worst of times, but bonding for thee most part through ourr passions. Sports and car!!! At the end of thee day, its all for fun. At least we've created a relationship with each other that we find time to think about each other. I think of you through the Blues and thee 4G Mustang. My neighbour 2 houses down just bought one sometime in June. It looks like some sort of special edition. I havent had time to analyze it orr ask questions about it. Ill take a pic and post it. Ive also got several pics that I took for June spottings that I never posted. All within the first few days of June.