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hey Tucker (CCAP) https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Busch+Stadium,+700+Clark+Ave,+St.+Louis,+MO+63102,+United+States/The+Dome+at+America's+Center,+701+Convention+Plaza,+St.+Louis,+MO+63101,+United+States/@38.6277209,-90.1949022,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b31b440bcf17:0xa57962d7e3509f27!2m2!1d-90.1928209!2d38.6226188!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b31f4b9ec5c1:0xe0984b60ee40c8ee!2m2!1d-90.1885068!2d38.6328232 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Busch+Stadium,+700+Clark+Ave,+St.+Louis,+MO+63102,+United+States/Enterprise+Center,+1401+Clark+Ave,+St.+Louis,+MO+63103,+United+States/@38.6245147,-90.2002652,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b31b440bcf17:0xa57962d7e3509f27!2m2!1d-90.1928209!2d38.6226188!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b313f33f9ffd:0x16d092e190f89a21!2m2!1d-90.2026783!2d38.6268402 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Enterprise+Center,+Clark+Avenue,+St.+Louis,+MO,+USA/The+Dome+at+America's+Center,+701+Convention+Plaza,+St.+Louis,+MO+63101,+United+States/@38.6285755,-90.1989582,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b313f33f9ffd:0x16d092e190f89a21!2m2!1d-90.2026783!2d38.6268402!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b31f4b9ec5c1:0xe0984b60ee40c8ee!2m2!1d-90.1885068!2d38.6328232 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Enterprise+Center,+Clark+Avenue,+St.+Louis,+MO,+USA/The+Gateway+Arch,+Gateway+Arch,+St.+Louis,+MO+63102,+United+States/@38.6224845,-90.2030462,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x87d8b313f33f9ffd:0x16d092e190f89a21!2m2!1d-90.2026783!2d38.6268402!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c0f0607541e5b5:0x79ed2889c696a834!2m2!1d-90.1867504!2d38.6251269 All the best restaurants and hotels and those sports stadiums I posted up there using google maps are all within 2-3 miles of one another, if not shorter. The phoquing airport is 26 miles away https://www.google.com/maps/dir/MidAmerica+St.+Louis+Airport+(BLV),+9656+Air+Terminal+Dr,+Mascoutah,+IL+62258,+United+States/The+Gateway+Arch,+Gateway+Arch,+St.+Louis,+MO+63102,+United+States/@38.5880517,-90.1411138,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x88760f698c7acb57:0x3935d0dba5d589cf!2m2!1d-89.8156661!2d38.5476913!1m5!1m1!1s0x87c0f0607541e5b5:0x79ed2889c696a834!2m2!1d-90.1867504!2d38.6251269 Six Flags in St Louis is 30 miles away from the Arch. 50 some odd miles from the airport... EVs today have 280-320 miles of range. Hotels and airports HAVE EV chargers. Admittingly, I had a hard time to search for charging ports near the park. But... 1. Im not from St Louis. 2. Im not planning to take a trip their tomorrow either to really find one next to the park. 3. Its only 30 away from the St Louis Arch, next to a hotel Im leaving in. Or 50 some odd miles from a hotel airport. 150 miles of travel time to and from for that particular day Im visiting the park if I stayed next to the airport, is plenty of mileage. I charge at the hotel at night. I got 280-320 miles of range again in the morning an NO inconvinience what so ever. Hell, I drive after the park to see a NHL game or baseball game and eat and drive and do all kinds iof things downtown St Louis WITHOUT walking, just driving and I still have enough juice to get back to the airport hotel... Like phoque off Tucker!!! Stop the trolling. I njustb did a fast planning thing to go to YOUR city and I KNOW I wont have any inconveniences with an EV... Working or vacationing in YOUR city.

@ccap41 Your downvotes are fine. I do the same thing to you. Its phoquing funny that you have resorted to downvoting, actually. Like a little man-child not liking what he is hearing. Wah wah wah. Grow the phoque up!!! Not the first time I tell you this.

Again with the Tucker Carlson response... Just because HE mentioned a dealership, it doesnt HAVE to be a dealership...\ There are COUNTLESS of chargers... THAT is the point... @Drew Dowdell and myself showed you yet ANOTHER phoquing solution to charge a phoquing EV on your work/vacay trip... YOU decide to shyte on it and use your bullshyte excuse again... Just IGNORE this part of his dialogue JUST to pick on a suggestion... Ignore all the phoquing charging ports one passes by in a TOURISTY area where no wastage of time or effort is being done by a work or vacationing dude. Ignore all that and continue to be Tucker... Boy...you are such a lame a&& Hey Tucker... charging points are all over the major cities, especially in the tourist spots... Including the one YOU live in... Stop the phoquing trolling already... Hey Tucker, you are not gassing up in a gas car. Why do you need to charge up every day in an EV? If you are working, you are staying in a hotel close to work. You are walking to work. Not driving. If you are staying at a hotel close to the airport, the airports have chargers... Downtown? Yup chargers. Dude, you are wrong and you know it. Stop trolling CCAP!

Youde get that with me too. But you argue like Tucker Carlson. You act like a child. You deserve the same treatment. To keep on spewing about charge times when I have REPEATEDLY given you LINKS to relieve your so called opinion, you ignore all I have to say and go back to your childish charging times... On vacation, walking around is done. Anywhere in the world for ANY reason. Cars are less so of a factor. Hotels DO have charging points. Touristy arears DO have charging points. 250-320 miles is a helluva lot of miles to drive.... Like in daily driving, 3-4 days one goes before one has to charge or gas up. And THAT is a lot of freakin miles driven. We are NOT driving AWAY 250 miles from our vacation spot.... I included the Quebec city thing only to prove how absurd your so called opinion is. But in that scenario, we are visiting TWO cities. TWO destination spots. Ind in THAT scenario, both Montreal and Quebec are walking cities. You get the MOST out of both cities walking. As you walk and dine and witness historical sites, the EV is charging... Visiting any vacation destination, 50 miles going and 50 miles coming back in one day is probably the MOST you;ll drive in that day. Coming back to the hotel, one WILL charge overnight and have another 250-320 mile range again if one needs to do another 100 mile range trip. But if that is the case, why did you choose a destination hotel to be 100 miles AWAY from these destinations. But it dont matter, it aint an inconvenience to charge up while EATING on a reststop along the way if one couldnt charge AT the hotel THAT night... In ANY scenario... Going to Disneyworld and one stays at hotels NOT at Disney, the Hotels are NOT 50 miles away... One could do several trips to Disney without having range anxiety. Charge up at night after the 3rd trip to Disney. g=Have another 250-320 mile range... Staying in Miami, the fartest away from the beach, and want to go to the beach? Miami beach is not 300 miles away from the fartest point of Miami. And even if it was, swimming at Miami beach is a 3-4 hour affair. Plenty of time to charge the phoquing EV... You will eat. Move the phoquing car at that point in time. But why are you staying 300 miles away from the beach if you wanted to go to the beach? Hey Tucker... Discuss with me like an adult. NOT like a teenager. When you do that, you will get respect...

https://www.reservations.com/hotels/st-louis-and-vicinity-mo/amenity/electric-car-charging Even in St Louis... Hotels in and around the area, with 250-320 mile range, renting an EV and charging it at your hotel 2-3 times in a 2 week vacation time period is NOT an inconvenience by itself, let alone compared to an IVE vehicle. FYI... There are very few gas stations in the downtown core of Montreal... For the last hundred years, I havent heard anybody bitch about being low on gas and freaking out in the downtown core of Montreal... There are many many many more charge points... Links are posted before. Hotels in the downtown Montreal core with EV charging points https://www.reservations.com/hotels/montreal-qc/amenity/electric-car-charging

And its NOT a problem right NOW... Unless you want it to be. And if you make into a problem discussing it, a mountain out of a mole hill, you are no better than Tucker Carlson... And if you truly dont know about reality, than maybe inform yourself with non-misrepresenting details before spewing FUD...

The point is its not a BIG PHOQUING deal. Especially when one is on VACATION. Yes, EVs DO take a tad longer to charge up. In the context of being ON vacation. 250-320 miles, in a city core or beach or tourist theme park, to do touristy things, one does NOT need a car as much as YOU seem to think you need one. THAT is the point. I showed you examples as how it WILL be done. The storyline is true and realistic... Stowe Vermont https://chargehub.com/en/countries/united-states/vermont/stowe.html Popular Charging Stations in Stowe Stowe ElectricChargePoint Stowe ElectricChargePoint Stowe ElectricChargePoint Spruce Peak Performing Arts CenterChargePoint Stowe Mountain LodgeNon-Networked, Tesla Stowe Electric In phoquing Vermont... Its a tourist hot spot... What inconvenience are you babbling on about? Hey Tucker, have a nice day because Im done with your shyte today! I never said you were. There is that Tucker Carlson way about your views... Its in the posts that I wrote DIRECTLY to you that I say you are NOT anti-EV. Just that you are a CONTRARIAN. A troll... Your Tucker Carlson style of discussing shyte is getting old and tiresome. But you do you if it tickles your fancy for your entertainment purposes...

No it aint Tucker. No amount of false fear mongering alters that. Charging is just a tad longer than filling up. But that is just the way it is for EVs. For now. The concept of RENTING EVs for vacation is not an inconvenience. Like at all. YOU want it to be. YOU say it is. You twist it like Fox news and Tucker Carlson does, but it really is not. You can keep on harping on the fact about charging times, and that is ALL you got, but it aint a problem unless you want to make it a problem. And with that, ANYTHING and EVERYTHING can and IS an inconvenience. About that wise man thing... You are the one making a mountain out of a mole hill. Ive given you how it is. You dismiss with the same Tucker Carlosn style talking points like your judgement is how it is. And your talking points is NOT how it is... Keep at it Tucker!

Again with the same bullshyte. Ill be calling you Tucker from now on.

its called selective reading and being a contrarian on your part... Where I come from, yeah. As so where you come from too. St Louis is not an isolated place. If I ever wanted to see the Cards play for a day, or the Blues, Id be alright flying into your city and renting an EV for the week. Its up to YOU to prove me otherwise, because in Montreal, there is NO problem. Search in the description Eaton Center, Molson Center, Bonsecour Market. All these places are at the extreme of one another from Old Montreal to the east (Bonsecour Market), in the middle of the area, Eaton Center downtown Montreal and to the west, Molson Center where the Canadiens play. Not to far away from Atwater metro station where the Forum used to be... You could enter that too. https://lecircuitelectrique.com/en/find-a-station/ in and around Old and Downtown Montreal. And all the hotels https://chargemap.com/cities/montreal-CA

Dont be coy. You are not stupid. Ive explained it thoroughly. Chargers in major US cities and in Canada, especially in the touristy areas, are EVERYWHERE. Where one hotels (as a verb) when visiting downtown cores or beaches or theme parks... 250-320 average 2022 EV vehicle miles are more than enough to get you going for your necessary winding down time from your 1st world stress. Charging the car over night when sleeping is also an option AT the hotel underground parking if you are such an entitled prick that when walking around at a downtiown core of any city is too much for you. Never you mind that you pass your parked car several times over when walking around... Dont pretend than you dont understand... Unless of course you have never vacationed that you dont understand. And if THAT is the case, then why the phoque have you an opinion on something that you dont know about but want to die on a hill for for being an idiot?

Confirning your response that your 'exactly' was on my 'inconvenience' response. Which it aint. Dont brush off this response: 1st world problems... That you have to move a car...on vacation. Spending hundreds of dollars if not thousands visiting another place buying useless trinket souvenirs and dining. This is a reality YOU dont want to admit exists. If YOU want to say it is an inconvenience, you would be a very entitled SOB. One that garners NO empathy from me. If you walk around Montreal, yes Montreal, not Venice beach, but Montreal, and you have to move your rented EV car while passing by these individuals and whine about it... Atwater Metro station...downtown Montreal. You are one tone deaf individual. And quite frankly, an a&&hole... Like In said... 1st world problems... That you have to move a car...on vacation. Spending hundreds of dollars if not thousands visiting another place buying useless trinket souvenirs and dining.

To boot, its still gets a 329 mile range rating... Despite its atrocious efficiency...

Of course it... Its 2022 for phoque's sake... You move it... Chargers are close to tourist places. OMG...you will have to move the car... Exactly on the small inconvenience. 1st world problems... That you have to move a car...on vacation. Spending hundreds of dollars if not thousands visiting another place buying useless trinket souvenirs and dining like a pig in restaurants... Dude... It aint an inconvenience. Just because you say it is doesnt make it so... Hell, it aint even a compromise with the amount of other time wasting shyte we do in our regular daily lives. Including posting on internet forums...

Its hard to remain civil when falsehoods keep on repeating themselves... When logic is interfered with nonsensical fear mongering and absolute alternative facts. Now...I understand that your truth is true in some instances... But... This is the kind of bullshyte opinion that bugs me... 1. 80% of the US population LIVES in the largest US cities. In the East Coast. Although the PNW has a large population and the PNW IS trying to accomodate the EV revolution. 2. So...a possible inconvenience for the 20% means that EV Hertz rent-car should be ditched when the 80% wont feel a thing? When discussing, mention right off the bat that there WILL be an inconvenience to the 20% of the American population that is not populated. Places like Wyoming and Utah... I underrated this. You do too. But your discussion of things is very disingenuous ...

I live somewhere in the Montreal region. For whatever reason, I dont own a car. I want to rent a vehicle to go to Stowe Vermont for skiing or Lake Placid to see the former winter Olympic site. From a central spot in Laval, to Stowe, its a 118 mile drive. From that same Centropolis Laval spot to Lake Placid, its an almost equal distance. 123 miles. I chose Laval to be at a more north point to the US... 250-320 mile range.... Ski for 2-3 hours or explore the former Olympic site for about as much time and the EV is charged while I do what I need to do while Im NOT using the EV and the EV is ready to go back home... Go back home, the car is charged somewhere and the next day when the car is due to go back tom Hertz and no problem renting an EV. The charging somewhere might pose a slight inconvenience, but the bigger picture is that I, we friends or family, skied in Stowe or visited Lake Placid. Bigger picture here... And not that big of a deal to charge a phoquing EV... Mountain out of a mole hill. And I could do that with somebody flying to Toronto and then wanting to visit Niagara Falls. Including then US side... Or any other place in the US that is populated and not in the middle of middle America nowhere...

Just because YOU judge the Hummer EV harshly because its not an efficient EV, doesnt make your opinion a correct one. Your opinion is shyte and false. Your judgment is wrong and stupid. Ditto for everything else that I just mentioned. Dodge Hellcat offers a track mode. Its a good enough track car. The Hellcat is not THE best track car around, because it does NOT have the right engineering components for it to be. YOU know that ESPECIALLY as a car enthusiast that you are. But you will say ANYTHING just to be a contrarian to what the CORRECT response should be. You do you. As far as the EV rent-a-car thing goes. 250-320 mile range gets you driving in a city for about 4 days without recharging. Same as a a gas powered car. When vacationing, one also walks in a city of vacation to get to actually see the phoquing city. Boston, New York, Montreal, Houston, Los Angeles, Chicago, ALL have GREAT restaurants. AWESOME shopping quarters. Boston, New York, Montreal all have GREAT historic sites that walking is the ONLY way of exploring. Driving is NOT an option when doing these things. The EV, if need be, gets to be charged during THIS time period when exploring the vacationing destination on foot therefore no time wasted on your part charging the EV... Going to the beach in Greece or Miami or South Carolina...the EV is just used getting to the beach. For 3-4 hours, you are swimming and playing water games and eating on the boardwalk. The EV gets to be charged during this time... Going to Disneyworld or Land in Anaheim or Orlando or any other theme park. If you dont hotel in the park itself and have to drive there, the EV gets charged while you explore the theme park. Its fair to say that one spends a good 6 hours at these parks... Plenty of time to get a FULL charge. As with ALL scenarios I mentioned... Full charge means 250-320 mile range... YOU know that as YOU have mentioned that to several posters that may have range anxiety about 250-320 mile ranges... That would be 3-4 days of driving great distances per day. Vacation time is usually 2 weeks... Walking and exploring on foot is done probably MOST of that 2 week span. Even if one goes to Montreal and then wants to go to Quebec City. One walks downtown Montreal. Then one walks Old Montreal. The EV is fully charged and no need to charge up going to Quebec City. One charge. When one gets to Quebec City, one recharges the EV. But one WALKS to see Quebec City. No need to drive as Quebec is small and quaint. On that same charge, one goes back to Montreal, back to the hotel. One charges up the EV while fine ding in Montreal and 250-320 mile range is at your disposal again. One gets to drive 3-4 days before one gets to leave to go back home. Montreal's airport is less than 15 miles away from the downtown core anyway... 15 miles... 250-320 mile range for the average EV in 2022... Again... your judgement is wrong. Whether you are being a contrarian, obtuse on purpose or just forgetful on some facts and dont apply them properly, your opinion is shyte and false. Your judgment is wrong and stupid and its annoying as phoque when the same shyte is spewed by you time and time again...

You are just a contrarian... Nobody is DEBATING that it is atrocious. Because it IS. But what the Hummer EV is NOT, and NEVER was meant to be, nor was it EVER marketed as such, the Hummer ICE or EV was never a Prius from Toyota... I dont care what you would say about a 1000hp/tq getting 8 mpg. But its comically hypocritical of you to bash the EV Hummer in this way and downright Fox News style, Tucker Carlson/Kellyanne Conway/Alex Jones/ misinformation/alternative facts messed up opinion is what you are doing right now. Same as the Hertz EV rent-a-car... Its annoying as hell what you are doing. Judge the phoquing thing as as what it is, NOT for what it isnt... Its the same phoquing thing when we debated about the Dodge Challenger Hellcat and Tesla Model S Plaid not being track cars and you slyly and connivingly tried to troll your way in telling me I should have a problem with Dodge because they offer in the TV screen thing an option called "track mode" on the Hellcat... But hey...you do you. PS

1.6 miles/KW is a true joke. I agree. The EV Hummer stays true to its original Hummer statement of pi&&ing on environmentalists!!! This I find very funny!!! But alas, the EV Hummer is also a poster car. None of the poster cars that I know of are efficient in energy use or good for the environment. So Im totally OK with the EV Hummer getting shytty mileage kilowattage(?)

I didnt know that. Thanx for the info. No need to top up... 15 minutes gets you 80%.. That is right NOW! Today's battery tech and fast charging. And another thing, Regular EVs right now have a range of 250-300 miles. Uber EVs are pushing 400 plus miles. Some claim 500. Others are pursuing 600 and more (Mercedes and surprise...BMW) EVs right NOW are on par with ICE ranges with 300 miles... Common, CCAP... You know that what you are spewing is just shyte fear mongering... That is the cost of doing business... Its a service and a commodity. However, the free market system and competition always finds a way to compensate or reward a frequent user... Herz and lets say Hilton Hotels and Shell and a consortium of public charging stations could have a loyalty program or package or something... as an example... Rome wasnt built in a day. And gasoline stations werent built to as ubiquitous as they are today in just 5 years either. But by 2035-2040 though... And gasoline wont be as cheap as it is now. You think gasoline will be purposely cheap or expensive when an agenda to go all EV will be?

This is what we need. yes. But its the Biden administration, right? How many republicans, Ted Cruz and Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson types and Texas folk that are oil crazy will actually back up this bill? And vice versa of course if it would have been Trump. And Trump would have NEVER done this because of his 'base'...

Like I said, restaurants, McDonald's and In and Out Burger and grocery stores and all kinds of public parking lots with businesses could have charging ports as well as designated stations. And its not as if charging times with these new batteries and systems take a long time with level 2 charging. On avg., 15 minutes gets you 80% of a full charge on a 250-320 mile range EV. Common... Like I said, lots of unnecessary fear...

That is the cost of doing business... Its a service and a commodity. However, the free market system and competition always finds a way to compensate or reward a frequent user... How is that any different from gassing up? But maybe Herz and lets say Hilton Hotels and Shell and a consortium of public charging stations could have a loyalty program or package or something... yes. I know that! ?

you could only fill up a gasoline powered car in a gas station. Charging ports should be ubiquitous like gas stations are. Charging ports are easier to erect than gas stations are. Charging stations could not only BE at specific charging stations only specializing in charging, but almost everywhere there is space and shopping or dining is made where the driver on an EV is out and about doing other things other than just filling up his EV with a charge. Its that simple... And its actually being done like how I say, not only in other parts of the world, but in the US itself, but there are far too many anti-EV rhetoric outlets in the US and the fear of EVs has set in and a stall in progress for charging stations has ensued in some parts of the US...

Yes. Sure. The way it is now now. EVs have been politicized in the US (like everything else), and much whining has been made about public charge systems. Now...as in NOW... would be a good GREAT time to actually STOP the whining about charging times and public chargers and ridiculous talking points about range anxiety and start building up the damn charging infrastructure instead of whining against it. American businesses, all levels of governments at the city, state and federal levels could get involved in building up a charge network... I googled and came across some awesome stuff... Ill just post some pics and American capitalism should be able to do the rest... In the US we act like a few cables and a little plastic box with sensors and adaptors is such an unsurmountable feat. Like its a total impossibility and harder to accomplish than burying large tanks underground and fill them up with that flammable liquid time and time again...talk about logistical nightmare, but we have perfected it,...and these are literally everywhere. And talk about a PERFECT place to put EV chargers since gasoline stations are EVERYWHERE. And the thing is, charging stations, public and in the city could be endless as tanks need not be buried and designated in special places... And let me whine about something... NO NEED to transport the electricity to the charge port like a gasoline truck does to the gas station as electricity travels ITSELF!!! Just in case somebody missed it, solar panels on the charge ports produce electricity to alleviate the other shytty talking point...