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And yet many more love them. Their sales really are impressive for a four vehicle lineup.

Seems to be some quality issues with the Hummer EV.

I feel like that's because they didn't just make them quirky just to be quirky. For the most part, they look like regular small SUVs. I don't think GM is exactly doing the same with Chevy EVs. Silverado vs Silverado EV and Equinox vs Equinox EV, you can clearly tell the EV version is quite different. I completely disagree that they're taking the same approach as Audi. The Blazer is different, too, but their "grille" area was given a little more of a "conventional" approach...just by blacking it out.

I actually didn't know what it was when I saw a Polestar2 at my local Walmart a few months ago. I saw it and wondered, "this looks pretty sharp, what the hell is it?!" I had to go a little googling because it gave off Volvo vibes and sure enough, it was a Polestar2. It's pretty dang good looking car but seems way overpriced for what you get.

And yet, nobody showed me how it is MORE convenient to RENT an EV than an ICE vehicle. Drew showed me how it wasn't bad to do, and I knew that. The hill I will die on is that in 2023(when the order will start to be fulfilled), it will still not be as convenient to rent an EV than it will be to rent a comparable ICE vehicle. Yup, and the 4 drew showed me are about as slow as they get from a 220 plug, 6-13kw, if I remember correctly. Nice and ironic of you, you called me idiotic within this same post. You can't just say you're being civil and that automatically makes you civil.

David talks to me like two people having a conversation and will post legitimate information with links. You, do not. David and I were talking about the same exact thing you and I were yet you were just calling me names because you didn't agree with me. Okay, if you want to name call because our opinions are the same, don't expect to be treated the same way as somebody who talks respectfully and is informative.

I still think Mercedes' ICE sedans and SUVs look plenty good. Those EV sedans and SUVs though... are rough to look at. They just went as bland as they possibly could have with damn near literal jellybean styling.

I really don't hate the styling and I'm sure there will be non-gold versions to actually buy so that's not really an issue to me. The gold doesn't do much for me but just assuming that will not be on every single one of these sold, it doesn't bother me. I can look past that.

I think it looks better than their gargantuan grille versions of everything else...

I don't actively shop against Chinese made things, unless its a very large purchase, like this. If I happen to notice something is Chinese made, I'll try and avoid it, but I won't go overly out of my way to do so.

Yeah, the EQ line is not very attractive, in my eyes either.

That's absolutely no different than glancing at an XT4/XT5 or CT4/CT5/CT6. That's how these luxury automakers have been doing it for well over a decade now. Mercedes isn't the only one guilty of their family of vehicles sharing a very similar design language.

Ahhhh thank you for the information. That's a bummer.

Is the Polestar made in China? If so, I never realized this.

It's super convenient that there are three chargers there and at the rates of those chargers, you'd have to leave it there your whole trip to get home, 6-13kw chargers.

If it works out perfectly that you want to eat next to a charger, that's absolutely perfect.

Because there's nothing more that I want to do on my vacation or work trip than spend time at a Nissan dealership (or any car dealership but Nissan is the worst) charging my car. You can't honestly tell me that it is equally or more convenient to rent an EV than it would be to rent a comparable ICE vehicle.

To be honest, I don't think anybody was talking about road-tripping..

@DavidI legitimately appreciate your civil discussion where we can go back and forth without the childish name calling. Not trying to be a smart@ss but you did mention not being able to fit into the previous generation of EVs, have you gotten to test fit a Hummer EV yet? If so, do you think you'll pull the trigger on one yet? I know you like pretty much everything about them. @David, I was out running Friday and saw one of these! Funny enough, I managed to see an R1S before I’ve seen an R1T. Aaaaalso, funny enough, a day later I saw my first R1T but j was driving so I couldn’t grab a picture of that one. I had to zoom in quite a bit because it took a couple seconds to get my phone out and camera open so it’s pretty bad quality.

The context of that sentence was only renting, FYI. I did not mean it for ownership. I also completely agree with this and I believe I even stated that in the Hertz Rental thread. I just said within the next five years, the stated delivery dates of the vehicles, I don't think it will be ideal or beneficial for the renter. What I said previously: "And I think that'll happen. I think it'll get to the point of a lot places having a charger or two for customers(one would probably suffice for most smaller businesses). I don't think it'll be that way within the next five years though."

Exactly, @David, I am certainly on board with buying and owning an EV. To make it sound like I'm some anti-EV guy is absurd(but that's Olds for ya). This is no different than saying I don't think a Camry is a great tow vehicle, there are just better options for the given situation. That is one thing that's great, is there are so many different vehicle options and everything can be great for a given situation. Everybody's wants and needs are different and that's no different here. I wouldn't want to deal with an EV if I'm a renter but, I think it would be PERFECT for me to own. I'd even road trip it and charge publicly. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing to do. We all just know that isn't truly an IDEAL situation.

I've actually timed filling my MKC up with 13 gallons (15.1 gal tank) in 3 minutes. You are full of it thinking it takes 10 minutes to pump 15-20 gallons or 33 gallons in TWENTY MINUTES. I'm not trying to be a smart@ss here, but will you record this next time you fill up? I'm just curious to actually see how slow that pump is flowing. "Light passenger vehicles pump up to about 50 litres (13 US gallons) per minute[5] (the United States limits this to 10 US gallons [38 litres] per minute[6]); pumps serving trucks and other large vehicles have a higher flow rate, up to 130 litres (34 US gallons) per minute in the UK[5] and 40 US gallons (150 litres) in the US. This flow rate is based on the diameter of the vehicle's fuel filling pipe, which limits flow to these amounts."

Call me Tucker, CNN, Fox News, whatever. It's still more of a hassle to rent an EV than an ICE vehicle. You guys can go rent your EVs and show me how convenient it is. As a wise man once told me:

You're right, the whole process is completed in 5 minutes, give or take a minute or two. It's completed in less time than walking to and from your charging EV, let alone moving it to a parking spot and getting back to what you were just doing.

@David, thank you for giving me a legitimate response. One counter to burning fuel in heavy traffic would be that a parked EV still uses electricity, more in the extreme temperatures, hot and cold, but they do use electricity when parked. I do also dig the idea (that I just learned yesterday, actually) that the Hyundai/Kia twins have accessory power in the boot. They're not F150 levels but still a heck of a lot more than most outlets in the back of vehicles. That's GREAT that there are chargers at MOAB!