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First of all, that's Cadillac's fault for noting those in their releases. He's only talking about what Cadillac, themselves, issued for a press release. Second, Kia and Hyundai are absolutely pumping out vehicles in "24 months". GM isn't doing that either, the guy I know who works for GM says he saw this when he was first hired 2 or 3 years ago.

We don't always agree but I think you nailed it on the head right here. There are a couple awesome technological advances in the climate zones and manufacturing, but the rest has been done and even by their own brands. Nobody buys a car because they found an efficient way to manufacture the vehicle.

That Rolls I linked seems like a direct competitor and it doesn't have a disgusting rear 1/4 of a vehicle.

Seems like a competitor was just announced/shown as well. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2024-rolls-royce-spectre-ev-first-look-review/ Those are the numbers on Merc's website, not some speculative article. I sure hope so. I mean, I understand 300 miles is plenty but for a flagship technological star, I would think 350 miles would just look better, because it isn't a race car, making insane amount of power/tq.

It really doesn't seem all that ground breaking. Maybe I missed something but outside of smart glass, a cool four zone climate control, and the awesome FLEX manufacturing, it isn't doing much of anything else that isn't already out there. No trying to troll or whatnot, but I just read through this all and I really didn't read anything outside of what I mentioned above that somebody else isn't already doing. I mean, why do they need to say it has power steering, performance tires, and a five-link rear suspension? Tesla, for one, has been building a car with more power and more range for a few years already. I don't think the power figures here are a negative but I think 300 miles seems weak. Yes, yes, yes, I know Tesla is NOT in the ultra luxury segment but a car that's longer than a Escalade should have enough battery capacity for more than 300 miles. The ugly-@ss EQS AMG has 649hp/700tq, estimates 0-60 in 3.4 seconds and only 277 miles of range, 23 additional miles or range is nothing special, imo.

You can continue to try and convince me but in spring of 2023, when the Hertz orders start coming in from GM, renting an EV still will not be more convenient to the renter than an old gas burner.

Do vehicles get more "blah" than Merc's EVs?

Yeah, you can't charge 50-70k for a vehicle with a maximum range of 227 miles with a max charge rate of 100kw. 227 miles alone keeps it off a list I'd consider. IMO, I think it'll be a couple years before Tesla really gets passed. Hyundai's/Kia's products seem great thus far but they're still really new and still only two vehicles that can compete with Tesla. They're very good but they're not something that stops on anything Tesla's doing. I'd say they appear to be on par with Tesla. Things are changing SOOOO fast. It's pretty crazy to think what the industry will look like in only five years. If you asked, "what will the auto industry look like in five years?" twenty years ago, people likely would have just said, cars will be a little quicker, a little more fuel efficient, a little larger, etc. The last year plus the next ten years, things will look drastically different than today.

I just read a EQB review and have to say the same thing, but not for the 800v system. I'm less concerned about the max capacity charging, as there aren't a million super fast chargers around plus I don't think most owners will/should charge publicly anyway. But a max charge rate of 100kw is low, 150kw should be minimum for anything coming out in 2022 and beyond, imo. It just sounded quite half baked for 50-70k. I think it was only rated for like 227 miles of range, didn't seem all that quick for an EV (like the Lyriq) but not actually slow, and the floor was raised to interior room was slightly decreased. I just couldn't even consider it when the Q4 e-Tron and Lyriq exist.

Sounds like a rare misstep for Honda, unfortunate.

Well, we're well beyond those days and a reliable vehicle is pretty easy to find. I, too, haven't heard any stories of Bolts bricking, just catching fire. ? I kid, but seriously, I haven't heard of those issues with the Bolts.

Dear GM, This is what the Blazer should look like. Please stop with the gimmicky EV styling. Sincerely, Everybody

If that's the mindset, then they're going to push the movement back some years because it'll piss off regular buyers enough to say "fck electric, it's not worth it". It's Honda, they likely won't allow something to leave their facilities with major issues.

That's freakin inexcusable for how long these same exact models have been around. No, there's a relatively simple process to get a Tesla into a tow mode/neutral. I couldn't find one for a Hummer EV. You don't have to unhook the 12v battery in a Tesla to reset it (did you see the process to reset everything once they reconnected the 12v battery?) to then be able to put it into neutral.

Comparing the Hummer to an Alfa product likely isn't a good thing... I guess we should expect them to be piles for a few years. Also, not having a fairly easy way to get the vehicle into a tow mode for trailering..? What's that about. I wonder how many other vehicles have the same issue, I've just never come across it (because the vehicles don't brick themselves).

BlEeDiNg EdGe, with a description like that I'd assume you work for GM. The technology really isn't THAT new. It's still just an electric vehicle with air suspension and a locking differential. Rear wheel steer isn't new either, even for GM. I can't imagine any regular person buying one of these(or any vehicle) is expecting things to not work, just because it's new.

Honda Prologue. Honda's first product using the joint venture with GM and their Ultium platform. Dear GM, This is what the Blazer should look like. Please stop with the gimmicky EV styling.

That doesn't make it any more or less acceptable for the Hummer, especially with its starting price.

What? Yes, they do. I was just on their site a few minutes ago.

I'd wager good money that there's just too many moving parts for manufacturers to keep accurate inventory numbers for dealerships on their websites.

I know Ford hasn't been known for their problem-less rollouts recently but I don't recall hearing Mach-e's and Lightnings bricking themselves nor having non-functional systems within the vehicle. There's a price to pay to being the first and there's a price to pay for a company not completing the vehicle. The above issues with the Hummer shouldn't happen, period. I don't think people spending 100-150k on a vehicle should be considered test dummies, just because they're early adaptors.

There are a lot of EQB's within 100 miles of me but I see zero EQS SUV's within all of Autotrader's reach. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=656795677&allListingType=all-cars&makeCodeList=MB&city=Highland&state=IL&zip=62249&location=&requestId=2281868035&searchRadius=50&seriesCodeList=EQB_CLASS%2CEQS_CLASS&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=false&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&dma=&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fmercedes-benz%2Fhighland-il-62249%3FrequestId%3D2281868035%26dma%3D%26searchRadius%3D50%26seriesCodeList%3DEQB_CLASS%2CEQS_CLASS%26location%3D%26marketExtension%3Dinclude%26isNewSearch%3Dfalse%26showAccelerateBanner%3Dfalse%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26numRecords%3D25&clickType=listing This is the closest MB dealer to me. If you go to Autotrader, I see plenty in the Seattle area at dealerships. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=657524199&allListingType=all-cars&makeCodeList=MB&seriesCodeList=EQB_CLASS&city=Seattle&state=WA&zip=98101&location=&searchRadius=100&marketExtension=include&isNewSearch=false&showAccelerateBanner=false&sortBy=relevance&numRecords=25&requestId=EQS_CLASS&dma=&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fall-cars%2Fmercedes-benz%2Feqb-class%2Fseattle-wa-98101%3Fdma%3D%26searchRadius%3D100%26location%3D%26marketExtension%3Dinclude%26isNewSearch%3Dfalse%26showAccelerateBanner%3Dfalse%26sortBy%3Drelevance%26numRecords%3D25%26requestId%3DEQS_CLASS&clickType=listing

It's just unfortunate how they look. I'm a Merc fan but I'd skip right over their lot if I wanted an EV. They're just the worst things to look at. Didn't they JUST start production of them a handful of months ago? I assume production wasn't up to 100% capacity, like everything that's brand new. I think a full year's worth of production would be a much better comparison.

FYI, this is two different Hummers with differing issues. The one that had interior issues and air ride issues is GM's and they said it had just under or just over 2000 miles on it. The other one is theirs with 150 miles on it. That's a good way to piss customers off and push them away from EVs for awhile until it becomes proven technology. Your flagship vehicle shouldn't be bricking itself brand new.

It isn't like GM's EV rollout has been any smoother, Bolt and Hummer issues. Oh i completely agree with you here. I'm just saying that Tesla has still been crushing it. Without a doubt, I believe their sales will stumble once there are 30-50 other EV options available. But, right now, they clearly are the winners with their infrastructure. Every single review I've watched of non-Teslas complain about the charging network and how piss-poor the systems are compared to the simplicity of Tesla's.