Stew

OK, the W has standard AC and the option of a power group (windows, heated mirrors, etc) that aren't available on the regular Willys Also, if just get the willys with ac, it is $900 less than the W, that is the only difference and you are paying an extra 900 for nothing. Only get the W if you want power options, if ou just want AC, stick to the regular Willys.

Seems mostly like options, but I will find out, give me a few because I am curious.

Alright I can get on board with them redoing the interiors.. I just haven't heard anything from any comparison in a handful of years which leads me to believe they still are the same basic Compass and Patriot of 8ish years ago.. The Wrangler is its own thing. Whatever they keep doing or lack of doing is working. I don't rag that at all. They have a gold mind and they're doing exactly what the people want. That is awesome that there are lift kits for them..but that in and of itself says they are dated.. That pic is about exactly what one of my best friends wants. Simple, 2 door, black wheels.. He wants his to be a manual. And he says he will just drive everywhere with the doors off. lol Outdated kind of works for Jeep lol. Jeep is hard lol. How do you keep the faithful happy while bringing in new customers? That is exactly what i would want right there. Basic, fun, 2 door. I would love the Rubicon with it's dual lockers and electric disconnecting swaybars, but I think the Willys with it's limited slip rear would be just fine for me.

As much as it pains me, as I really like my job, I am looking at other jobs. I have been here 6 years and make barely more than a new hire. Time to move on I think.

I am bouncy this morning LOL. And no, the current iterations of the Compass and Patriot are FAR from plasticy and cheap feeling. My 07? the interior was plastic fantastic, but now he interior is completely different and all touch points are now soft touch materials, the seats have been updated and upraded, the only caveat with the interior is that it is still using the smaller touch screen and older version of uconnect, then so is the Wrangler. There is a reason a lot of people replace their patriots with Patriots and a number of families have more than one. Do you know you can even get a lift kit for the Patriot and Compass? Apparently this isn't possible with the Renegade and cherokee because of their suspension design. in the realm of Jeeps, that is very bad indeed. Of course i don't want any of these or a dart, i want a Wrangler Rubicon or Willys Wheeler.

Anywho, does anyone know if GM is going to give the Colorado and Canyon the considerably higher production capacity they need for 16?

Whose Audi is that? What powertrain is in it? Great pic! I think that's his brother's Audi and I think it has the 2.0t. Pretty car. And Stew's Dakota looks nice and cleaned it itself! Nice pic Stew! Correct on all accounts One of the rare times the Dak isn't coated in mud haha.

Actually the Patriot and Compass are pretty nice. My old 07 Patriot was completely reliable and would regularly get over 30 MG. There have been nearly yearly updates to the Patriot and Compass to keep them fresh, with the most importan, IMHO, being the adaptation of the 6 speeed automatic for 14. The off-road models are also at least as off-road worthy as the Renegade Trailhawk. like it it combines a low range gear, MORE ground clearance, and stronger BLDs that make the Patriot and Compass equipped with the FD2 extremely capable offroad. not to mention the same 19 inches of water fording capability, etc, etc, etc. Know about the vehicle before you dismiss it. As for the GTi's DSG, my point is it is one of the best out there. And Ford is still using 6 speed autos so nysaying the Darts 6 speed transmissions is redundant. At least they have the excellent ZF 8 speed that is one of the best conventional autos out there bar none and actually used by VW in their Audi brand. 10k was the goal as they knew they had a long way to go. There are a lot of cars that sell in as low or lower volumes than the Dart hat are also fine cars. Speaking of the GTi, the entire Golf line, 3 and 5 dor hatch, 2 turbo motors, diesel, etc, didn't even sell 1000 more units than the Dart last month. Let's say the Sonic and Fiesta suck too then, yes they are smaller, but they both sold LESS than the dart last month and 1/2 of wha the class leader the Versa sold. Sales aren't everything, if hey are you are saying the Camry, Corolla, and CR-V are the best vehicles in their class? Yeah, right........... Also, the Dart is going on it's 4th model year, think about that..............

Well, the tech it had still wasn't selling.. And "excellent ride" is just an opinion which(not factual) the buying public disagrees with. What exactly makes it better than the Corolla? I honestly do not know. But I doubt it is an overall better package than the Corolla just based on magazine comparisons where the Dart just isn't getting very high regards. Didn't the Dart have "EcoBoost" problems with not achieving close to its EPA numbers in testing as well? As for having a lame 1.4T at launch.. well that is what people are getting at here that FCA in general has problems and launching a car(pre FCA, I know) with a lame engine is a major issue and should NEVER happen and now the transmission issues with the brand new Cherokee as well. "Despite MultiAir II valvetrain magic, the 3293-pound Dart ranked last, both with EPA (26 combined) and Real MPG (27)"(2.4L engine at the 2014 Big Test of Compact cars. It did tie for second in the "features/amenities" category. And only one model year after being brand new it took 7th out of 7 in MT's Big Test of Compact cars. If you break down every car in this category there just isn't a really good reason to buy the Dart over anything else in its class in an objective manner. Also, The highest "as tested" price was $25,600. As an example, the Dart they used was $25,125 and it was a GT(GT starts at $21,645 and the base price is $16,495). And none of those are stripper models, pretty much loaded to the gills. The big brother SUVs to all of these start around 20-22k and move up to 35k. I built a Dart Limited and clicked every box including sticker packages and it was $27,895. That's a pretty basic CUV.. The Dar had no problems achieving or even beating it's MPG claims. the problem with the 1.4t was no torque and an uneven powerband. Also, 2 problems with that test, one autowriters drive the piss out of cars and 2, a 9 speed auto only in the heavier 200 with the same exact engine gets considerably OVER it's ratings? Makes no sense....... Wait, GT as different more aggressive gearing than other 2.4 Darts and as such is only rated around 30 on the Highway.......... Those CUVs I mentioned, all come pretty loaded at that price. Well, like I said, They decided to use the 1.4t having no tq and an uneven powerband.. Yes, auto journalists do run the piss out of the cars but they run the piss out of ALL of them, not just the Dart. And for having the most powerful engine it wasn't the quickest in any test either, all while achieving the worst mileage(both rating and their test). Like I said, It's just mid pack in almost every category and it sells like that. Nothing on Dodge's website says anything about the GT's gearing being different from the rest of the Dart lineup. It was rated the lowest of the group(mpg), which is a fail on their part. There shouldn't be any "compact" car in 2015 rated at only 31mpg highway that only makes 184hp. The Focus ST at 252hp/270tq is rated at 32highway/23city. The Golf GTI is 210hp and gets 34hwy/25city. What CUV is "pretty loaded" at less than 28k? And we're talking the stable mates to these which would be CX-5, Escape, CR-V, Tiguan, etc. look into it. You will see that non GTs are rated considerably higher, up o 36 MPG I believe, in the non GT models. And i also already said acceleration was not the quickest and handling not the best. Speed does not matter much. And the stablemates i was talking about were the Jeeps to the Dart. you get a decently loaded Patriot, Compass, or Renegade for mid/high 20k range. Look at Patriot sales. It is almost ridiculous that it still sells as well as it does and the while the Dart sells were growing (which had a goal of only 10k a month BTW), the new Renegade sales appear to be eating into Dart sales. Oh, Show me a Focus ST that get's it's MPG and the GTi runs VW's excellent DSG to help achieve those MPG.

First thing U have said in a long time that hasn't made me instantly think I just mistakenly walked into a special ed class with U sitting in the front row. Every Ford/Ram fan was giddy with the idea that the Silverado and Sierra had missed the mark in 2013 when they showed up on dealer lots. Every Ford/Ram fan instantly said that the Colorado and Canyon were gonna do nothing but take sales numbers away from the Silvy/Sierra. They were flat out wrong. I wish I had a $h!pie to rub some faces in. Ha, This ram fan never said such a thing, especially about the midsize trucks. FYI, I will post facts in a thread whatever the brand and I like what GM is doing truckwise. I can't wait for their updated fullsize trucks to hit the lot.

Well, the tech it had still wasn't selling.. And "excellent ride" is just an opinion which(not factual) the buying public disagrees with. What exactly makes it better than the Corolla? I honestly do not know. But I doubt it is an overall better package than the Corolla just based on magazine comparisons where the Dart just isn't getting very high regards. Didn't the Dart have "EcoBoost" problems with not achieving close to its EPA numbers in testing as well? As for having a lame 1.4T at launch.. well that is what people are getting at here that FCA in general has problems and launching a car(pre FCA, I know) with a lame engine is a major issue and should NEVER happen and now the transmission issues with the brand new Cherokee as well. "Despite MultiAir II valvetrain magic, the 3293-pound Dart ranked last, both with EPA (26 combined) and Real MPG (27)"(2.4L engine at the 2014 Big Test of Compact cars. It did tie for second in the "features/amenities" category. And only one model year after being brand new it took 7th out of 7 in MT's Big Test of Compact cars. If you break down every car in this category there just isn't a really good reason to buy the Dart over anything else in its class in an objective manner. Also, The highest "as tested" price was $25,600. As an example, the Dart they used was $25,125 and it was a GT(GT starts at $21,645 and the base price is $16,495). And none of those are stripper models, pretty much loaded to the gills. The big brother SUVs to all of these start around 20-22k and move up to 35k. I built a Dart Limited and clicked every box including sticker packages and it was $27,895. That's a pretty basic CUV.. The Dar had no problems achieving or even beating it's MPG claims. the problem with the 1.4t was no torque and an uneven powerband. Also, 2 problems with that test, one autowriters drive the piss out of cars and 2, a 9 speed auto only in the heavier 200 with the same exact engine gets considerably OVER it's ratings? Makes no sense....... Wait, GT as different more aggressive gearing than other 2.4 Darts and as such is only rated around 30 on the Highway.......... Those CUVs I mentioned, all come pretty loaded at that price.

I have to disagree on a few points. When it came out it was the most tech laden car in it's class, offers a large\ interior, an excellent ride, and even had a model jumping over 40 MPG on the Hwy. It is a good car for it's class and certainly a better car than the top selling Corolla. I can think of 3 issues. 1. he Neon/Caliber stigma 2. No real marketing 3. while the 1.4T was fine in the smaller 500, it was overburdened here and have a less than great powerband, the 2.4 becoming available certainly helped here. I personally would not buy anything in this class as they have all became way too expensive. A compact car should never even be able to top 30k (not counting hipo editions of course). And call me crazy, bu when you can get an AWD crossover for the same price, most going to choose that and those Jeep dealers with the Dodge dealers offer you 4 fine choices (Patriot, Compass, Renegade, and Cherokee).

Both of which they have: case closed you just destroyed your own case...... Hellcat has sold well but is only a drop in a very large bucket. Alfa has a long and challenging road to follow. It will never see 400,000 units by 2018. The 200 is selling well but not at the profits it needs The Dart is my drive this week. With some work it may measure up to a old Cruze. Such wind noise for a new car. that is funny, i have been in a few Darts and all were very quiet................ IMHO, you just hate the company so you want to see them fail. As such you will say anything that downplays them. Dart has one of the best interiors in i's class. Offers features most others in the class do not. It isn't the quickest or best handling, neither of which really matter in this class.

1. Yet the lots are full of them, so the production was not needed anyway. 2. Great, but there are still some out there for sale. 3. Not when i checked, the incentives were HUGE on he outgoing models to the point where I was steered towards new when lookin a used because the new ones would have been cheaper. 4. Since when? last I checked the quickest selling trucks were the Colorado and Canon. And the high incentives are right in the colume models and have been for months. If the truck was everything you claim then incentives would not be needed at all.............. 5. highest ATPs belong o GMC, not Ford, so why they are up, they are up for everyone else too FYI.

We keep hearing about the F-150s big transaction prices, but GMC has the highest for the segment. I can't wait until the refreshed Sierra and Silveraodo and the Diesel Colorado/Canyon. IMHO, GM has proven that a midsize truck does not eat away at fullsize sales.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/ownstard-enterprising-wiz-hacks-onstar-to-enable-remote-functions-gm-working-on-fix/ Onstar hacked and Chevy sends a fix.

Both of which they have: case closed you just destroyed your own case......

I think between my bother moving and my parents moving I have moved 20 full loads in m 4x4 in the last few months with another 10 in the 2wd. Someone else in he family really needs to invest in a running pickup.

That is a much better base price that what C&D was guessing. If they would offer it in the extended cab Z1, i would find a way lol.

I still love it lol, but part of that is me think about running the sucker off-road. Ultimate choice of vehicle would be a 12+ JKU Rubicon. I can't think anything even remotely close the Jeep's off road ability in the price range plus it isn't freaking huge so I can get into those tight spots.

All perspective. My guess is that if uconnect can be hacked, so can Onstar. What are fiat's exact quality issues? i know they are ranked low, but some specifics would be nice. I do think the money should be spent perfecting bread and butter vehicles also, but at least Alpha has some potential for low volume and hih profit cars. It also allows them to amortize costs of the new RWD platform to allow it to be used on future Dodges at reasonable prices. IMHO, there is a bigger picture there.

was it a rebel or a limited? And to each his own for sure.

True, but let's be honest, apparently buyers don't care much about recalls. Look at the even bigger GM ignition recall, hasn't even slowed them down and THAT was even worse because they about the defect for what 10 or 15 years?