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In a 12 week program using the nicotine patch. 21 mg for 4 weeks, 14 for 4, then 7 for 4. It helps some, but i still feel the urge for a smoke lol.

No cigarettes since 10 least night. Normally I would be around 8 in by now, but none so far, shew his isn't going to be easy lol.

Told you that you would enjoy the off-road aspects Great review!

Oh, i will! I kind of agree, but you this through all makers who have an additional lux marquee.

I really like that and I see the see the 5.3/8 speed combo providing the best mix of power/fe/acceleration/reliability.

Conrats!

Yeah, really not worth it over there, which is really sad. i had really enjoyed it over there. Oh well, here is great and full of great convos!

yeah, still a little reeling from the Ram accident lol. Tried going over there, MAN, I can't even get the forum to load the threads!

Helped my parents start moving into their new house after helping m brother a few months ago. he jos of being the one in he family with pickup trucks..............

well, the 1st generation was great, and Jeep found ways to improve the formula. And...this is why it aint such a big deal for the next generation Cherokee to be introduced in 2018 or 2019. Very true, except I never thought the 05-10 were that great and preferred the prvious gen. That generation was engineered in conjunction with Daimler-Benz, right? I dont really know too much about it because I hated M-B at that point in time because of the so called "merger of equals" so I lost all interest in anything Daimler-Chrysler built. Other than the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger of course. Oh...Viper too. Yeah I know....Mopar LX cars are M-B derived...but Mopar changed them up so much that the LX cars were/are purely Mopar. From a design perspective...they are ugly. They became too bulky....and boxy...not that I mind boxy in SUVs...but this type of boxy was horribly done. Its like stupid M-B designers didnt like the rounded corners of the original Grand Cherokee and decided to cut corners...yes pun intended...and squared off the "roundedness" like an after thought... I dont know if Italian flair was in the air with this generation...but it seems like the nice rounded corners came back...a nice welcome back. Agreed. And IMHO, the previous interior was better too. No, it didn't have the geewhiz gadgetry and a touch screen, but it looked good and made extensive use of soft touch materials before it was the thing o do. Our 01 never ceased to impress me.

well, the 1st generation was great, and Jeep found ways to improve the formula. And...this is why it aint such a big deal for the next generation Cherokee to be introduced in 2018 or 2019. Very true, except I never thought the 05-10 were that great and preferred the prvious gen.

I don't think it was a bad truck by any means. I think i am use to my Dakotas which have some of the best steering ever offered in truckdom. I had no low end torque issues wit the 5.0, though I am sure the lightly options SXT Supercab may have been a bit lighter than the one you drove. The sound is intociating. I do love the fact you can get a true locker in the rear of even the lowest model F-series. I am still a little gun shy lol.

Well, taking classes to stop smoking, gotta keep track of every cigarette I smoke for the next week. Gonna be a list with some big numbers haha.

I have to wonder how they top this gen though? Exterior, interior, drivability, are all so honed, how do you improve upon it?

You didn't really counter anything i said and went off with the same incorrect facts you continue to post. I will only mention your crap about car's weight and the ram. There is absolutely no way that a fullsize car will reach anywhere NEAR 3400 pounds with required safety regs and buyer requirements for options. I mean really, look, even the lightweight CTS V-Sport with all of it's weight savings is still right at 4000 pounds. So please, quit posting BS over and over again...... on the ram, they make just as much on them as the others make on thir trucks. it is cheaper because it is based on an older architecture that is less expensive, especially than the Aluminum F-150 which is already seeing big rebates.

The new gym? Haven't heard that expression before. I just came up with it. From the sound of it she probably has a weighty set of exercise balls and provides at least a few minutes of cardio for each person that steps on......

Maybe she's the new gym......

I borrowed my brother's this weekend and you have to beat missions to unlock the "autoshow". Love the game and the list of cars you can buy is pretty amazing. I am running a am Runner Right now lol. Awesome game, but haven't been able to locate any barn finds yet, grrrr.

LOVE the Trailhawk! The others aren't bad though, just different.

I feel you man, same here. Financially and time-wise life is a total bitch right now ad I am getting sick of it. On another note, i think Jeep should give me a Renegade Trailhawk and a Patriot with the Freedom Drive II of-road package for a year review to test the off-road ability etc because i am REALLY curious how they compare overall.

Where are you pulling your information again???? I have a good idea where it is comeing from..... 1. ram incentives are no higher than the rest and in fact a lot of cases show MUCH lower rebates than some others. You realize ford is already offering around 4 grand in rebates on the 15 F-150, right? no you don't, you get your facts out of your ass...... 2. the LX cars are actually lighter or on par with most cars their size. A 392 is around 4100 pound pounds, roughly the same as a slightly smaller CTS V-Sport. Even the lightened SS is over 3900 pounds, Mercs and Bimmers around this size run 4300-400 pounds, again those pesky facts. And FYI, Charger, Challenger, and 300 are the most reliable in their class per publications like JD Power. Funny that on the internet everytime somebody wants to attack a car they know someone who owns one who has had issues. As for the platform, it is far and away from the Benz platform and in fact no longer uses any of the original Benz parts. The 15s are showing to be excellen handlers with excellent rides and are being compared to the E39 M5, so why mess? Also, you realize this platform is the basis for the mew Maserati sedans. If it was as bad as ou act, that would have never happened. Also, I have actually driven a 15 Challenger (and many older models) and the thing was amazing. Easily one of the best interiors period and it felt like a bigger version of m brothers A5. 3. Darts goal was only 10k a month, it is getting close especially since the death of the Avenger. 200 incentives are no worse than the rest of the segment, and some, such as Malibu, Fusion, and Camry offer larger incentives. The 200 is also in the top 5 selling midsize sedans. Get over it.... 4. They kept a lot of great people in FCA and they have built a great brand, again, get over it........ 5. Nothing like old GM. Their problem was selling a million different versions of he same vehicle and their interiors by playschool. 5. you are out of your mind. New minivan is coming, Uconnect is at the top of the heap for telematics, ecodiesel is a resounding success, 6.4 hemi getting the same fe as the weaker LS3 and more high tech 5.0, electric 500, hybrid minivan coming, Hellcat's excellent supercharger tech, turbocharged pentastar and updated na pentastar, Hemis, na and turbo 4 cylinder families 1-2 years out, hybrid tech coming to the new minivans and then spreading through the company,class leading transmissions, wait, where are they behind on the tech again?? Alfa is going after BMW and the new products have the beans. There is enough pent up demand here for alfas o make hem viable. Also, do your research, Lancia is on the chopping block................. Honestly, are you even doing any research or just guessing at everything you say??????

I was talking LT1 to LT1, if i am not mistaken the truck version has different internals to produce more torque at a lower RPM but less HP. in any case they are VERY low production as they are only available on higher trims. We can talk about the 5.7 and 6.4, and the Pentastar and how many different vehicles they are available in with the same exact internals if you want lol. Nope, just a slightly different cam and different VVT tuning, same block and everything else. The L86/LT1 is not low production, 30% of each model sold is a Denali when a Denali model is available. Not all Denalis are 6.2s though as the 5.3 is standard, compared with GMC's relatively low production, then the Denalis lower production, then not all Denalis being 6.2s......... I am still searching on the differences, per Wards: The L86 has a lot in common with the LT1: displacement, block, bore and stroke, 11.5:1 compression ratio, cylinder heads, crankshafts, continuously variable valve timing and other hardware. But the LT1 requires unique intake, exhaust and lubrication systems and tuning to meet the demands of a Corvette owner. "Exhaust" is not the engine. GM could hook the 3.6 V6 up to the corvette exhaust. LT1 has a dry oil sump I believe - for high G-turning. Different intake manifold too..... I thought they did have a different cam, but maybe it is just a different cam tune using the VVT system. Still not major changes that would cut into profits. I am not saying it would cut profits, just that there are differences and that the production is still pretty low anyways, not that it matters, because the point on the Charger/Challenger/300 was not only the engines and transmission, but suspension pieces and the general platform. Also, something hyper needs to realize, is they are produce all 3 on the same production line so it is doubtful they even have the ability to produce the Challenger in Camaro and mustang numbers.

well... yes... the old 5.3 was great... but it's not the same engine as the 5.3 that is being put into the trucks now. no, it isn't, I know this, just saying that the new one had a lot to live up to since the 5.3 has always set a standard for power/efficiency in each gen. I would have problem getting a new Silverado with the 5.3 ecotec3.

I was talking LT1 to LT1, if i am not mistaken the truck version has different internals to produce more torque at a lower RPM but less HP. in any case they are VERY low production as they are only available on higher trims. We can talk about the 5.7 and 6.4, and the Pentastar and how many different vehicles they are available in with the same exact internals if you want lol. Nope, just a slightly different cam and different VVT tuning, same block and everything else. The L86/LT1 is not low production, 30% of each model sold is a Denali when a Denali model is available. Not all Denalis are 6.2s though as the 5.3 is standard, compared with GMC's relatively low production, then the Denalis lower production, then not all Denalis being 6.2s......... I am still searching on the differences, per Wards: The L86 has a lot in common with the LT1: displacement, block, bore and stroke, 11.5:1 compression ratio, cylinder heads, crankshafts, continuously variable valve timing and other hardware. But the LT1 requires unique intake, exhaust and lubrication systems and tuning to meet the demands of a Corvette owner.

Not to correct you...but... a couple friends and I were at our local GM dealer(one of them wanted to get an idea of new truck prices..he was kindof in sticker shock) and I actually think 90% were either the 5.3 or 4.3.. But I understand what you're saying! lol "My" Buick/GMC dealer must move a lot of Denalis. And yes yes.. I know the "truck" LT1 is technically coded an L86, but it is the same engine in a different tune. Yeah there were only a couple Denalis on the lot.. but in all fairness we were looking something for him that was a little more basic so we weren't looking at everything let a lone everything that looked awesome.. but I do always like to look at price tags of the fully loaded ones.. Saw a 62k High Country..jeez. But that dark brown leather interior did look extremely fancy, especially for a truck. Random. But when we were looking the window sticker was kind of confusing actually. On the lower left hand side under "mechanical" a lot of them had the 4.3 listed. BUT on the upper right(outside fo the "box") they had the 5.3 listed. That's because the 5.3 is an option. That said, if he just needs something basic and doesn't need to tow a heavy trailer, the 4.3 is a fine engine. It has roughly the same power characteristics of the 5.3 from about 12 years ago. The instinct when buying a truck is always to go for the biggest baddest engine you can afford, but these new V6es from GM and Ford and Chrysler are plenty good enough for most folks who just want to haul mulch home from Home Depot. I really like the High Country, but it is very much Chevy copying Ford's King Ranch. My Mom drives a 2007 King Ranch with that dark brown interior. 5.3 has always been a great engine from inception and I can't wait to get my 99 Z71 regular cab back on the road.