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Like anything, regardless of who it effects, there still needs to be proof out there. So far all we have is hearsay.
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I see this being a huge hit. i think the smaller size could actually bring in MORE customers wanting something smaller and easier to amneuver. And as said the Traverse and Buick will still be big and there is always the Tahoe and Yukon.
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I will wait for proof (as all should). You would think if they were fudging numbers that it would be making a much better showing as what it is showing right now (outside of he 500x, which is still getting crushed in it's segment). Also, couldn't this be confirmed or denied via checking new vehicle registrations? If it is, it is, but the accusation seems off as everything outside of Jeep and ram is only doing decent (Chrysler/Dodge) or in $h!'s creeks (Fiat).
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A couple things with the overland. You DO appear to get the Trailhawnks ground clearance and the low range active-drive 2. If I am not mistaken, only the Trailhawk had that and the Limited etc came with a considerably lower ride height and the option pf adding active-drive 1 which does not have the low range. So basically you are getting the limited with near Trailhawk capabilities. The GC Overlands do not really offer anything over the standard GC or off-roading. The 1st OL which came out in 01 was basically all the LUX goodies, side accents (kind of rock rails, but stylized), though i did debut the 4.7 HO engine as standard (was optional on other trims such as the Limited and Freedom editions). The Overland is pretty well what it has always been, a top tier lux model with all the goodies plus some. It is a really good value with he content you get. Thin GMC Denali or All-terrain, compared to the new GMC Acadia All-T4errian this is far more capable still, thouh different. And don't jump me, I love the new All-Terrain Acadia, but my point is they are really more Lux trims with denali of course being top tier. this is Jeeps Top Tier.
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Also agree to keep the name Patriot, it has been the best seller between them since 07.
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Wierdly enough, i got the stick simply because I refused to get a CVT lol. To my surprise the FD1 was capable of a lot more off-road than I imagined and remains the best vehicle in snow I have ever had.
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Oh yes, i had the 5-speed 2.4 combo and liked it pretty well. I had forgotten about that tiny gas tank! 13.5 gallons i believe. that did aggravate some, but at leasst i had he most fuel efficient AWD (regularly saw 30MPG+) so I am sure it was worse because of the lower gearing the FD2 CVT.
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No, several is still 3 or more, 2 is a couple. It isn't that they offer more, but price it out option for option and they are far less expensive than an equally sized SUV from another manufacturer. Even Cheaper than their own Renegade. Did you not read both of your definitions that you posted? The second one was ": different and separate That would constitute two separate "anythings" being "several". And in this case it is bailouts. Two bailouts at completely different times and separate would be "several" Yes, they cost less because they are all around cheaper. Stand next one then stand next to any other CUV they compete with and it's a no-brainer that they just don't compete at all. That is why Jeep has the Cherokee and Renegade. Those are very much class competitive and definitely leading when it comes to certain aspects. Ah, however you see it, but you have to admit that the general usage of several means more than 2 and couple is 2. Anyways, the main issue with the Patriot and Compass is age. Newer interiors and updated suspensions and minor styling tweaks aside, they are still from 07 which is heir issue, though again, they still sell as many Compass and Patriots combined as they do Cherokees. Considering their tooling is long paid off and they still sell well, it makes sense. The biggest letdowns are 1. still using the original 2.4 world engine, not even the tigershark, 2 it is still running the older version of Uconnect with the smaller screen, 3, while it offers a 6 speed auto now, if ou opt for the off-road packageou are still saddled with the CVT because the low-range is part of the transmission. When the Patriot came out in 07 it actually offered a lot over the competition.. 1. Standard traction AND stability control, automatic brake assist with the standard ABS., a 2 prong 110V outlet in the center console, reclining and flat folding rear seats, folding passenger seat, ability to lock the awd 50/50 front/rear, available navigation and touchscreen, an available low-range (outside of a Jeep dealership you still will not find this in another competing CUV. Let's see, front and rear brake-lock differentials in the AWDs which even in 07 Switched the power to the wheels with the most traction. Again, outside of the Jeep dealership, where will you find 18 inches of water fording ability in this class.? Nowhere....... Look at that list, there are still a LOT of things to like about it, especially for the price. In any case the success means there is a new one coming, we should actuall see it sometime this year.
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Just the word was chosen as another of his attacks, he wanted to sound like more than it was, he probably thought it was more than 2, for that I give it a pass.
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No, several is still 3 or more, 2 is a couple. It isn't that they offer more, but price it out option for option and they are far less expensive than an equally sized SUV from another manufacturer. Even Cheaper than their own Renegade.
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Actually this is what I thought when I first saw the taillights. Ah, i see that haha. I was thinking more that in some of the photos it appear to ave a lighted LED strip going around the taillights like the Charger and he Dart. A combination of the two perhaps lol. Mwahaha, that's scary though, especially for a car meant to save a luxury brand.
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Straight from Webster's: Simple Definition of several Popularity: Top 10% of words : more than two but not very many : different and separate
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Why would I rethink using the Compass and Patriot. I owned an 07 Patriot i bought new. it drove well, had more room than it should have for it's smalle size, got over 30 MPG on the highway and the 5 speed/AWD combo made it a fun little vehicle. They still sell around 16k a month combined and price per content cannot be beat. Quit listening to the mags, I was an actual owner for 126k trouble-free miles. And few tidbits. It is not cheap to do business in China. it requires you to basically merger in the country with a Chinese maker. Their economy is also tanking and car sells were WAY down last year. We knew the hybrid was coming for years AND that it would fist appear in he Pacifica (actually the name change was the only real surprise). As for where he started putting the money into, like most manufactures SUVs, CUVs, and trucks ARE the bread and butter and largest money makers bar none. It made PERFECT sense to start with the SUV manufacturer and then the truck manufacturer, and then start with the much less profitable car lines. I think is what gets me. This information is freely available. It is not hidden and it makes sense.
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Thanks for the answers, sure it will pefect for 99.9% of buyers and I am loving the look more and more everytime I see it.
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Actually this is what I thought when I first saw the taillights. Ah, i see that haha. I was thinking more that in some of the photos it appear to ave a lighted LED strip going around the taillights like the Charger and he Dart.
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They have had 2 bailouts, not a as many as you make it. The problem with Chrysler started with the "merger of equals" as far as buyouts. Do ou realize in the 90s Chrsler was one of the most profitable automakers out there? They had the design to production process, Their reliability was on par, they had the latest tech, and their designs were second to none. That is what got Daimlers attention in the first place. The problem was hat instead of nurturing the brand, they stripped it out. Then they offloaded it to Cerberus which actually started making things better (much better interiors for the Patriot and Compass for example compared to the 07-08 models). Much of the design work on the 11+ Charger, 300, etc, etc was started under them and as was the excellent GC platform (actually started under Daimler, but the rest of the vehicle was coming about under them), but they had their own financial issues and with the recession hat is brought the last bailout on. Honestly, every auto manufacturer got some kind of assistance due to that. If not from the US government, it was their home government and sometimes both. Another issue, it takes o design a new platform and car, etc. We know much is coming. We have the GC Trackhawk, Wagoneer, and Wrangler truck all confirmed. We have the new GC, and again the LX cars and 200 are all doing well. An LX replacement is coming based on the new Alfa platform. New CUVs ARE coming for Dodge and Chrysler. A heavily updated 3.6 is used here and the n16 GC and will find it's way to the rest of the lineup I would guess in a model year. I would also speculate one part of the 200s midcycle refresh, other than the new Pentastar, will be an adaptation of the hybrid system here to the 200 and no doubt those upcoming CUVs and other vehicles in the lineup. Sergio may be unnerving now, but you have to admit he did some great things and more is coming. We are in the 5th year of month over straight sales gains. That says alot. GM has done a lot of great things too, love alot of their newer stuff. Seriously, the only maker doing bad as a member of the big 3 is Lincoln and as nice as the new Continental is, I don't really think it is the answer.
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And not as many people want the castrating Minivans anymore. People like them better when you sit them up higher and let them pretend they are trucks vs. family trucksters. The MiniVan is slowly going the way of the Station Wagon. Any of the tricks used here can be applied to any CUV and will be at some point. Just with the higher and larger profiles the EV range is still not what is could or should be for this kind of class and when range continues to improve we will see more of it in the others. Um, minivan sales say otherwise. 500k sales a year for them combined is still a lot for the segment and more than enough for this thing to make huge profits. Face it, you just don't like because it is Chrysler. If it was GM you would be singing it's praises. GM sold 3/4 that in just the Terrain and Nox that are old and outdated and even they should have done better. The only thing I have against Chrysler is Sergio and fan boys like you. Just so emotional! What is the fastest growing segment? Small SUV models. Mini vans has have dropped in volume. Nothing Anti Chrysler there as it is what it is. You just do not like the truth. Just look at the fastest growing sales at Chrysler. Where are they? Jeep! What are the two fast Cherokee and Renegade. The truth is the only company that could really push a mini van is Chrysler because of the previous fan base but it is not like it used to be. And yes many of the Chrysler 4 engines are know for burning oil. It is common and well know in the industry. Todays engines are much better but the past was a Smokey one. Hardly a fanboy, just give credit where it is due. You come in with negative remarks everytime there is anything about Chrysler or a Chrysler product posted, you sir, are the true fanboy. So blinded by wanting a company to fail you can't even give a compliment without a backhanded response. And yes, Jeep is the top player. Basically all 3 have top brands. Does GMC or Buick sell ANYWHERE close to Chevy? Nope, but they still bring in money. The 200 has been a hit and he T&C was still a top selling minivan.. Most of Dodges cars are seeing gains, and Ram has made huge gains also. All you want to see is negative about them so you miss what is actually happening.
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I 100% agree here. Can't speak on the 16 Tacoma, but the Colorado Z71 I drove was just fantastic. Best road manners in a pickup, smooth ride, gtsy engine, and still all the truck capabilities. At best this will be a very light selling niche vehicle.
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And not as many people want the castrating Minivans anymore. People like them better when you sit them up higher and let them pretend they are trucks vs. family trucksters. The MiniVan is slowly going the way of the Station Wagon. Any of the tricks used here can be applied to any CUV and will be at some point. Just with the higher and larger profiles the EV range is still not what is could or should be for this kind of class and when range continues to improve we will see more of it in the others. Um, minivan sales say otherwise. 500k sales a year for them combined is still a lot for the segment and more than enough for this thing to make huge profits. Face it, you just don't like because it is Chrysler. If it was GM you would be singing it's praises.
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So, they have the hybrid ou bitched about and ou still find nonsense to complain about. I seriously doubt you are seeing any 11+ models with the pentastar smoking and burning oil.................
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I like this. I love the exterior and the interior is pretty nice. Anyone have any info what all the All-Terrain package gives as far as off-road ability?
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It is ok, I do think it lost something in transition. The door handles kind of make me think of a bathroom fixture. The interior is again ok, LOVE those seats, but the rest seems kind of "been there before". nice to see the Charger racetrack taillights too.
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I like it all..... except the front end. The rest of the car looks classic Lexus. I swish that would give the spindle crap a rest.
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BTW... this thing has the same wheelbase as the Camaro.. I am thinking that despite its perceived look.. it is in no way the same size as the El Miraj.. more like the size of the Camaro. . The El Miraj is about the size of the CT6.. or 204inches long. The Camaros are in the 188 inch size Oh yes, this is rue so 2 totally different markets in any case. Just another reason they should build both (without straying further away from the concepts than necessary.
