surreal1272

Honestly, it's not the voting that is the problem and I have stated this before. It's the attitude of certain folks and I am simply done with them. That is all.

I WANT disagreement. Problem is....there are some people that just downvote...WITHOUT explanation... Personally, if that person just does NOT agree with what I have to say enough to downvote me...I expect a reason as to why he would waste enough energy reading my post and then downvoting it... There is an ignore feature in the forums, right? Just ignore what I have to say if what I have to say bothers you that you have to not like it...seems stupid to me in today's society where we dont like an opinion because its different only to downvote it because we dont like it... So as to downvote in spite...is kinda stupid...therefore THAT does not belong in an internet forum...n'est ce pas? We DONT need to agree with each other. But that also means we should also DISCUSS... That is also called trolling...something that is not wanted by me on ANY forum... That would be from whatever angle... One angle is when someone says preposterous thngs JUST to rile someone...just to feel accomplished... The other angle would be the person just downvoting JUST to rile someone's feathers... Both angles are TROLLING... Both angles dont add much to ANY conversation...so what is the point in having a discussion then? I am happy with the downvoting system...it keeps trolls at bay. What I dont like is when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...and THAT is fine too...but when an honest to goodness opinion gets downvoted...explanations are in order...because at the end of the day...we are ALL entitled to an opinion... How effin pretentious is it when I offer an opinion and it gets downvoted because the person downvoting does not like what I have to say? Add insult to injury...no reason is given... You dont see how effed up THAT is? ^^^This but certain don't care what you have to say, valid or not. They just stand by their laptops and wait to down vote your next post just because they can. It is just childish, which is why we are at the point we are with it now. I don't give two $h!s if those children don't get it either. That's why they are called "children".

Infiniti in general is a mixed bag. While I detest CUVs in general, I always liked the 1st gen. FX35/45. IMO, it still looks better than most of the CUVs out there. Now, they are just bland.

It's definitely a step in the right direction, as long as it passes emissions.

I second that. Just unappealing inside and out.

Say the one who started all the whining months ago when he and Olds were going back and forth. Hello pot. Have we met before? What I stated was an honest observation of a flawed system. If you want to consider that "whining", then that is your problem. To quote Ron White, "Next time you have a thought, let it go" (see the Expy thread as a perfect example of this)

In two weeks it went from 25 to 6 because of two posters here.

So seriously, what is being done here? For some reason, it only lets me vote one way or the other each day but it's really longer than that. Up until today, I wasn't able to either for days. Meanwhile certain posters just sit on their votes until certain other posters say something they take a slight to. Again, the system is broken. Just my two cents.

And while the normal suspects down vote me merely speaking my opinion, let this sink in a bit. Wings presents one perspective, i.e. cheap base Mustang leaving room for customer picked options and choices. I presented the same thing, i.e. agreed with his perspective while ADDING another perspective in regards to customer choice and packaging. Now, having said that, who has the limited perspective here? It's sure isn't me but please feel free to down vote me for merely giving my opinion.

Wow. Calls my perspective "limited" while ignoring his own limited thinking (and by extension ignoring everything I said that supported my much broader perspective). How unsurprisingly typical.

As was already stated. Sorry you can't see beyond your own "perspective" because the reality is that not everyone shares that perspective.

At no point was I referring to the pointless incentives and deals part of the equation. I am talking about the equipment packages and Ford is really bad for inconsistent packaging options that are not cheap or just flat out non-existent for a particular car (looking at you, V6 Mustang). Real choice is being able to choose one or two options that a customer may want, not shoving an overpriced package down the customers throat, with ten options they didn't want just to get the two that they did want. Seems every car company out there has forgotten about these REAL choices. Again, perspective.

Yeah it is really terrible when a company does a ton of market research on their prospective buyers and puts out the car they actually want from the get go, instead of potentially nickle and diming them to death with weird packaging options that customers may or may not want. BTW, there is no right or wrong here. Just pointing out that it is a matter of perspective when talking about what the customer wants.

Yeah, it's a good starting point even if you add options later. Depending on the car, yes it can be. The Mustang options, for the most part, are fairly inexpensive.

Cheapest is a relative term when you factor in how the vehicle is packaged. It is no surprise that the Stang was cheapest though. It does give a good value for a V8 car but the caveat is that it is a very minimalist package when compared with the competition. Nothing wrong with that but it keeps things in perspective.

You must live in my neck of the woods (Phoenix). I'll be glad when it dips back into the 90's next week. Yeah, I live in Phoenix..moved here from Denver in '08. Long story..don't like the climate and the desert, but the tech job market is solid, and lots of good restaurants around the valley... I moved out here from NC back in 2007 (Prescott for the first five years and then to Peoria where I live now). Glad to be away from the humidity and while the desert heat can be a *****, it makes up for it from fall to spring. And yes, lots of good eating around here (looking at you Lolo's Chicken and Waffles)!

That's actually a pretty good compromise against the folks who spend their whole time here doing nothing but down voting.

You must live in my neck of the woods (Phoenix). I'll be glad when it dips back into the 90's next week.

Again, the voting system is broken.

"Josephine" from the "Higher Truth" album by Chris Cornell. The whole album is just your average everyday lyrical masterpiece.

Thinking I should just start posting as a guest. Maybe then, I too, can dodge that pesky little down vote. It works for others here so why not? BTW, that was heavily laced with sarcasm in case anyone here wondered.

I'm just going to state that it is clear that certain folks will always vote certain ways based on who they are up voting or down voting for. As neat as it is to have in theory, the current vote system clearly broken.

Just another company slapping their name on China made crap.

Just got a chuckle when I viewed my profile and looked at the latest visitors. Accidental clicks must be running rampant around here or perhaps it's just one person who doesn't realize what they are clicking on. Refreshing to expose a lie with no effort on my part whatsoever.

And the downvote confirms. Either you're that... Uh, guy, or you act just like him. Either way, you have my condolences. Me any my immoral truck... ROFL :D We don't worry about what the children are trying to do, especially when it's the same two. Some people just hate the simple facts and try to counter with silly semantics. On top of that, they prove their silly fanboyishness by ignoring the positive stuff you say about their favorite make (see the SuperDuty thread as a perfect example), but down vote until their fingers bleed when dare say something perceived as negative about that same make.