surreal1272

Brings up Mustang in Camaro finalist award when it appears camaro did not win. Noted. It is pulled directly from the article in question Jimmy Hoffa, so take it up with them if you have a issue. It will most likely go to the Civic IMO, even though I am not impressed with it in the least (design wise anyway).

While I loathe CUVs, you seem to miss the other points as to why they are in demand, The biggest being that they have way more space for cargo than your average sedan like the CTS or the 335i. You also have to consider the ride height advantage. I hear people talk about that a lot so it's obviously a huge factor into the success of CUVs.

I guess the 4 cylinder diesel in the Blu Tec E-Class doesn't count? What about the GLE Twin turbo 4 cylinder diesel?

Why are you comparing engine applications in sports cars to engine applications in luxury cars? That is simply a horrible comparison to make. I have never witnessed anyone moving the bar as much as you do.

The CT6 was never mentioned by anyone in the actual business as a stop gap car. That is just what you keep convincing yourself of even though it was made clear what the CT6 was aiming for and it's not the S-Class. That is for the CT8.

That's a very heavy handed and a stark insinuation. Everyone who has posted reservations has posted elsewhere where they like Cadillac. So I don't think you're going to get anywhere with making a comment like that. There are certain people, like SMK, who wouldn't even like Cadillac if it was just an S-Class with the star scraped off and a crest put in its place. They'd would still find something "wrong" with it... some "Most important thing" that makes the Cadillac inferior even if it is the same car. SMK's feet get awfully tired from running around moving the goal posts. Exactly. Why he thought anything else in my post, I have no idea and quite frankly, it's not my problem.

Can't compare cars with trucks, different buyers, different market niches. I assume the 4cyl version will be for fleet sales or black car/Uber drivers... They sell Silverados to fleets. I think a 2.0T making 270 hp and 295 lb-ft is adequate for a Silverado. 10 years ago a V8 Silverado was making that much power. Ford has multiple V6s in the F150, the 3.6 V6 would be a good standard engine in the Tahoe and Yukon, let's see GM up the fuel economy on those to help CAFE, rather than put thirsty V8s in all their trucks and build 1.5 liter Malibus and 2.0 liter Cadillacs. Please stop comparing pick up trucks to luxury cars.

E-class "ain't world class" compared to the S-class, either. But neither the E or the CT6 are going up against the s-class, are they. I and many others have been saying this for months. I do not know why some people are getting so hung on that point. The CT6 was never meant to be an S-Class competitor and the price reflects that. That is supposed to be reserved for the upcoming CT8. Now if that doesn't measure up to the Benz, then there is a legitimate gripe to be had. Until then, lets wait until this car has been unleashed upon the wild before we crucify it for being something it is clearly not.

That's very, vey heavy handed and a very stark insinuation. Everyone who has posted reservations has posted elsewhere where they like Cadillac. So I don't think you're going to get anywhere with making a comment like that. Not a stark insinuation at all. It's an observation I have made with several different sites where Cadillac is concerned. Again, simply observational and anything assumed to be more than that is just that, an assumption.

For some people, it seems Cadillac will never make them happy no matter what they do.

Thank you for the clarification Drew and I apologize for getting sucked into the BS but when one person just flat out lies about what they said, just because it is no longer there, it is baffling to the mind that the person can lie like that with a straight face. Back to the topic, I would love to take the GT350R for a spin around the Ford proving grounds here. It is about twenty miles from where I live and would be a great place to toss that car around, especially this time of the year (a perfect 78 degrees right now)

That it does. It would be only choice if I were to go with a Mustang, all black please.

I swear I have to hire someone on my payroll to check your posts for partial truths and misquotes surreal. Is that why you did not quote me? Here is my quote in it's FULL context......"And then there is the looks. Sorry, GM dropped the ball on camaro." No. I made my statement because what you say is pure opinion and you can only bring that up because of the performance shortcomings of the Mustang. Sorry I didn't make that clear enough for you the first. I can accept that my wording was a little off but I am telling that you need to watch this tact you have been taken with me. From the "Jar Jar" remarks to the general "eff you" (your words yesterday after getting called out on the GT500 thread), you absolutely need to start treading lightly here. So let me sum this up again, for you. Ford dropped the PERFORMANCE ball with this generation Mustang and there is nothing you can say about subjective little things like the looks of the Camaro, that is going to change that. I stated very clearly, not that you would notice as you police my every post, that the two vehicles are exceptional in performance with minimal difference between, before I expressed my opinion regarding looks, because it (camaro) looks to similar to previous gen, and I am hardly the first person to say that. So you are full of nonsense, once again, by telling me I can't have an opinion on looks. And you are putting words in my mouth. I said your opinion on looks is subjective. I never said you could not have one so please get over yourself and tread lightly here. Besides, one could easily say that you are policing me since you are trying to put words in my mouth and tell me what I should post and how BTW, I have a right to my opinion, just as much as you do. Difference is that I don't get all bent out of shape about a counter opinion like you clearly just did here. BTW, just because they did not do a wholesale redesign (never mind that it does not share one body panel with the previous model) does not mean that they dropped the ball. Understanding the context of what I said earlier, is the key to understanding.

Some here prove that, once again, that sales only matter when it suits one's agenda. Some perspective on that. Yes the Mustang is leading in sales this year. Again, that is no shock because it is a good car overall and it going against an outgoing model. The sales of outgoing the Camaro though, have been higher than the outgoing Mustang at this time last year (and the months prior. Example: 2015 Camaro sales for October 2015-5289 sold while the outgoing 2014 Mustang sold 4565 cars in October 2014. This pattern held true for the last few months prior as well (the Mustang sold just over 3158 cars in Sept. 2014 while the 2015 Camaro sold 5246 Point is that crowing about being a sales leader against an outgoing model is not telling the whole story. Comparing outgoing models is a more accurate reflection. Now when the 2016 Camaro hits full production stride, then the sales argument will really be on. As it is now, it's just silly to compare the two but some folks have to crow about something I guess. Nice edit.

I swear I have to hire someone on my payroll to check your posts for partial truths and misquotes surreal. Is that why you did not quote me? Here is my quote in it's FULL context......"And then there is the looks. Sorry, GM dropped the ball on camaro." No. I made my statement because what you say is pure opinion and you can only bring that up because of the performance shortcomings of the Mustang. Sorry I didn't make that clear enough for you the first. I can accept that my wording was a little off but I am telling that you need to watch this tact you have been taken with me. From the "Jar Jar" remarks to the general "eff you" (your words yesterday after getting called out on the GT500 thread), you absolutely need to start treading lightly here. So let me sum this up again, for you. Ford dropped the PERFORMANCE ball with this generation Mustang and there is nothing you can say about subjective little things like the looks of the Camaro, that is going to change that.

Only you could say that the Camaro could drop the ball. Well, given that the Camaro thus far is the performance standard bearer (and again that is what these cars should be about) and they "dropped the ball" according to you (and you alone), what does that say about the Mustang that it is beating in said performance?

Having driven the Transit a few months ago to move a sectional, I honestly say that I am not surprised by its success. It is a surprisingly nimble van for its size and quite comfortable to drive.

You were told for while that it was not targeting the S class, just for the record.

And he misses the irony in yet another statement without understanding or acknowledging the context in which the original post was said. Well, I guess when you run out of ammunition, that is the route you have to go. Strange that as a new mod, with his new mod powers, you can't see that. Not my problem though.

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there? There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it? Was that not a thread about a possible GT500 right? How dare one talk about a possible GT500 in a thread about a possible GT500. And this here thread is about the GT350, right? Now pay special attention to what YOU said. "Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there?" And the I said there isn't a GT500 either. Now based on that fact, why can he not bring up a car that isn't here yet when you did the exact same thing? The answer is he can. Why would even say what you said about the 1LE? The answer is because you were trolling him.

Well there isn't a 1LE version, is there? There isn't a GT500 yet either but that didn't stop you commenting on that thread did it?

I would opt for the V6 AWD. That is the sweet spot price in that lineup it seems.

Wait wait wait man! I need to start my popcorn!

Oh and lastly...topic please because this isn't about marketshare. It's about GM recalls on twenty year old cars.

And that tale told here about GM Market Share increase was a what then?Maybe you missed the above part where GMs retail sales growth far exceeded Fords and as a result their profits have increased as well, hence me saying that they are going the Ford route. You should be taking that as a compliment but of course it appears that went right over your head. Maybe you missed the part where ' the tale told here about GM's Market Share increase was what then?' It appears that went right over your head. So you did not read the article at all. Thanks for confirming that because I never said one thing about market share prior. That's you trying to put words in my mouth. Now head on back over to the 2017 GT500 thread so that you and your buddy can keep each other company and work on those up votes. Oh, that's right. You ran outa votes for the day. Oh well.