surreal1272

WOW! Now we down vote a random thought? Way to prove your maturity Mr. Down Voter. Simply pathetic. Although I was not the one, perhaps somebody else feels that a random thought should not include insults to others. Just sayin I'm sorry but did someone just throw a stone from their glass house? Seriously?

WOW! Now we down vote a random thought? Way to prove your maturity Mr. Down Voter. Simply pathetic. Although I was not the one, perhaps somebody else feels that a random thought should not include insults to others. Just sayin Show me the insult here. Oh, and thanks for giving yourself away. Nothing like a little Batman:Arkham Knight to kill a few lazy hours. A much welcome relief from the 110 heat outside today.

Random thought: it is too hot today to be doing yard work. Time for a much needed break.

I love the Phoenix area but the red light runners around here are something else. To the one who almost t-boned me yesterday, just give me...

WOW! Now we down vote a random thought? Way to prove your maturity Mr. Down Voter. Simply pathetic.

The down voting rage just shows that there are some pretty sad and pathetic individuals disguising themselves as adults around here.

Not in the least. If nothing else, MKC and MKX are currently enough to preserve Lincoln. A new aluminum Navigator is coming (none too soon), and a refreshed MKZ (also a bit past due). That puts Lincoln at least on par with Acura and Acura isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The MKZ came out in 2013 model year, it needs a refresh already? And how do you refresh it, it is still a Fusion. The GLC should put the hurt on the 2 Lincoln crossovers, now that Mercedes doesn't have an ugly c-segment crossover, they can actually get sales, and the yuppies can buy Q3s for less than a Lincoln. Why buy a Lincoln and have to explain to your neighbor why you did it, when you can buy and Audi or Benz and be proud. Does that include being proud of those obscene maintenance bills down the road (which will happen with the MB and the Audi)?

I agree, it can't be dismissed and as I have personally stated many times over, it offers many advantages. See? There is something we can agree on. I'll notify the blue moon and Haley's comet.

Anyway, back to the topic. There is no one right solution or answer that puts one motor over the other. Drew made some good points though about why the pushrod lives on and succeeds. It cannot be dismissed just because it doesn't serve someone's favorite brand agenda.

wait, what....??? Are you saying it's now my fault that the picture I posted which was in fact what I claimed in the first place.....is back-peddling? my head is spinning on this one. Of course, ouzo is flowing for cheap here due to the low euro well, surreal, you and bong can down vote me to your hearts content. I will not play that game any longer. Have fun with it. You've been down voting several people here left and right since it started back up so don't even go there. Throw that in with your lovely message to me the other week, and it's not hard to see why I don't give a crap what you think. BTW, the deflection is not about the CTS itself. It's your excuse making and insults that started that. Enjoy.

Anyway, deflection...noted.

And I admitted my mistake while you had NO clue what it was when asked about it. Just excuses and "only a GM fan would care". Keep backpedaling and justifying your actions if you want Wings, but the truth hurts. BTW, no one has to actually go to your page to see your count (well, except for Bong anyway ). One mouse rollover your name shows that and it doesn't even require an Ivy League education to do it. Lucky me.

You got the full context of that right, while I acknowledged my own mistake right? Guess you also somehow overlooked the myriad of insults he has hurled at me the past few weeks, here and in a harassing PM. It's easy to do when you spend an abnormal amount of time attacking one person like you have on two different sites now (rolls eyes right back at you). Maybe butting out is your best course of action instead of trying to attack me?

Good point(could not make out the vents) but that 7.3 second time is not from a 3.6L V6 CTS though. There is nothing in that video that indicates that it is a 3.6L. It also cements my point that the base model gauge, whether in a CTS or an ATS, is just cheap looking and does not belong in either car, much less a $53K CTS. BUUUUUUURRRRNNNNNNN!!! (Kelso - That 70's Show) (I was hoping for something a little less drastic than an entire head on fire.. but I guess that is about all that is available..lol) Yeah, real big burn there. I was wrong and admitted it, which is more than can be said for some around here . Someone else certainly didn't know the difference when confronted on it. He just offered up weak excuses whereas Drew offered solid facts and proof, and I appreciate that from him. Easy there.. Just jokin around.. Don't have to be so...grumpy... all the time. You must not be much of a car guy if you can't tell the difference between a CTS and ATS dash! lol Not being grumpy Mr. Presumptuous. Just stating a fact. I also said any car guy could spot that. Never stated that I was actually one of them but I sure knew more about it than your average engineer.

I have found the "error" and have rectified it. The server has been set to recalculate everyone's reputation again. Some people may see theirs go up or down based due to posts being deleted since the last tabulation. Gotcha'. Just seemed a little strange. Glitches happen though. This wasn't a glitch, it was an error, and I'm addressing the cause. I am being vague intentionally on this one. I understand. I just used a different word for it. Glitch/error, one in the same to me. No worries.

I have found the "error" and have rectified it. The server has been set to recalculate everyone's reputation again. Some people may see theirs go up or down based due to posts being deleted since the last tabulation. Gotcha'. Just seemed a little strange. Glitches happen though.

Good point(could not make out the vents) but that 7.3 second time is not from a 3.6L V6 CTS though. There is nothing in that video that indicates that it is a 3.6L. It also cements my point that the base model gauge, whether in a CTS or an ATS, is just cheap looking and does not belong in either car, much less a $53K CTS. BUUUUUUURRRRNNNNNNN!!! (Kelso - That 70's Show) (I was hoping for something a little less drastic than an entire head on fire.. but I guess that is about all that is available..lol) Yeah, real big burn there. I was wrong and admitted it, which is more than can be said for some around here . Someone else certainly didn't know the difference when confronted on it. He just offered up weak excuses whereas Drew offered solid facts and proof, and I appreciate that from him.

Well, hopefully they will address that in the next refresh. It's a little thing to some but to me it is something I have to look at every time I am behind the wheel and it would drive me nuts.

It's more than just that. With these naturally aspirated DOHC V6es, I feel that customers are getting cheated a bit. They are being sold horsepower ratings that they will never see in the real world. Drew, you really need to qualify a remark like this. I know you are mostly referring to cam-cord V6 automobiles for the general masses, and that's fine, but there are many performance oriented vehicles that benefit with DOHC. But that is my whole point as well, in that the benefits of DOHC path for families of engines that automakers CHOSE to follow....are far more than just a marketing gimmick. Engineering is a balance act of trade-offs, and clearly, the scale tipped to the benefits of DOHC to invest in entire families of engines for your products. A few examples here and there of OHV offering benefits, should not and does not dictate where you invest your engineering $$$$. So yeah, marketing is part of that equation, but a small part. Here is a CTS w/ 3.6L accelerating. I don't know what you see, but what I don't see, is a driver waiting for the hp's to kick in that supposedly never do. What I do see, is a DOHC revving freely right out of the whole, and building momentum, well past where an OHV engine would fall flat. Am I really that unclear in my posts? Is it just me or is it the reading comprehension around this place lately....? Do you drive like that all the time? Do you floor it at every light and let the engine wind up to red-line through every gear every time the light turns green? Does the typical Camry or Impala driver drive that way even some of the time? If you're like me, your engine rarely touches the red-line. Even then, probably less than 1% of the time will it ever even exceed 5,000 rpm. So, for "every day" driving, the way that 99.9999% of driving is done... having the horsepower peak at a much lower RPM would be an advantage during that 99.9999% of the time. It would allow engines to turn lower RPM at cruising and better fuel economy. And here's the kicker. If I'm wrong, then Ecoboost has no reason to exist. Ecoboost allows for smaller displacement engines to produce power at a lower RPM. Turbo-DI small displacement engines are the replacement for the bigger, slower spinning, OHV torque engines, not the OHC engines that only produce HP at or near red-line. Excellent points and it certainly contradicts the OHC claims made by some here. Oh and reading comprehension does come at a premium. I have been guilty of it myself but some do so more than others.

Good point(could not make out the vents) but that 7.3 second time is not from a 3.6L V6 CTS though. There is nothing in that video that indicates that it is a 3.6L. It also cements my point that the base model gauge, whether in a CTS or an ATS, is just cheap looking and does not belong in either car, much less a $53K CTS. Yes, you only get the premium TFT screen on the Premium trim CTS 3.6. The Luxury and Performance trim CTS 3.6 come with this base cluster. It's the same car in both runs in that video. I can't explain the reason for the difference in the runs except for user error or perhaps a different terrain (was the first run on flat while the second run on a slight incline? we don't know) Thanks for clarifying that Drew. I have not gone to Cadillac's page until today to see those interior shots for each trim level. That makes no sense to have that cheap looking cluster in an ATS, much less the more expensive CTS. Sorry. I just really hate that cluster. It's like they ripped out a cluster from 1990's Oldsmobile and put a little screen at the bottom to make it seem "modern". It kills an otherwise great car. It is that bad to me.

Good point(could not make out the vents) but that 7.3 second time is not from a 3.6L V6 CTS though. There is nothing in that video that indicates that it is a 3.6L. It also cements my point that the base model gauge, whether in a CTS or an ATS, is just cheap looking and does not belong in either car, much less a $53K CTS.

And one has to ask how someone goes from -95 votes to +461 in less than a day. Must be nice to have someone do your dirty work for you.

Yes, if you are a real car person, especially when they are two completely different sets of gauges. That's like me not knowing the difference between a Fusion and Mustang gauge cluster Sorry if you don't get that and yes I do say so.

The Recaro cloth seats with Miko Suede Sport inserts are standard and very comfortable, at least to me personally when I sat in them, which is something I notice immediately with my troublesome back. And although I prefer leather, it is the last thing you want in any G-force producing machine. So it's hardly just entry level 'cloth' seats. But yeah, a bit too much as a daily driver, but when compared to the 2SS, it is in the same relative universe of extreme performance, with one focused slightly more. But leather is better.