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yup. totally. so worth it to see at 5 am in the morning!

i will be shocked if Pontiac gets rid of the G6...honestly, it sells, making pontiac 'niche' is short for 'we don't have money to redo the dashbaord or add NVH tuning to the car so we will have to sell it unaltered for awhile and don't expect to sell bunches of them'....but trust me no BPG dealer in its right mind will want to lack the G6 in this segment in a sea showroom of blue hair cars. BPG needs one product to sell that has a chance of selling in volume to youths. another revelation in my mind which i think is very real. astra will be simultaneously sold in saturn and pontiac showrooms to amortize its intorduction, until saturn is figured out. current G5 cobalt goes away and next astra as a hatch is sold as a pontiac in addition to possibly a small buick version and a very stripped lineup of saturn astras. then if saturn totally dies they still have the pontiac and buick versions of this car selling and making it worth the intro. I am fuzzy on the Vibe. Logic says pontiac keeps it as long as they can but honestly this NUMMI BS has to leave NOW. Vibe would be better as a saturn. maybe part of saturns redo is pawning NUMMI off on them. Saturn Vibe? G8 stays. If GM had money they would add AWD to it, and they really should, but they won't. Solstice needs to stay (i like the sky a tish more). Hey maybe with a dead XLR we'll get a Caddy Kappa.

hard to say for sure but i am thinking its fairly obvious that is what they are trying to do.

FTW! thanks Viper....bringing that pic out of the vaults always makes for the BEST DAY EVER! but, for all those that scorn the SSE and the bonneville in general, between 89 and whenever, the bonneville was a HUGE seller. SSE sold like mad.

that company that is buying hummer will sell it back to GM when this whole thing clears.

yeah i've said this many times......its a total WTF are they thinking? GM instantly loses a buttload of the youth and performance market. racing buicks? autocrossing? buicks at the downtown coffee cafe? GM will be smart to keep pontiac lean but still around when they discover their big eff up and realize they need pontiac to sell to people below 50 anyone who likes things contemporary and not blue hair.

Bob Lutz neglected mainstream models, but at the same time i am sure there was no shortage of proposals that ultimately got sidetracked and delayed by the bean counters. Truth is the all new models that Lutz had a hand in turned out pretty well, Malibu, Lambdas, etc. GM needs an axeing of their product process and get in people who are young, and not GM lifers. Not marketing people, but young people who are design sensitive and passionate about cars in every way.

what kills me about TTAC is their arrogance in their writing and editorials, yet they can't even do their job and create a site that is pleasant to look at. Artistically its one of the ugliest, most amateurish looking sites on the internet, and asswipes like Farago expect this to be a career vehicle and to gain credibility, but I have friends who have blog sites about puppies that look more interesting and professional than their web site. Black market abortion doctors do a cleaner job than TTAC does presenting their web site. If farago and his crew had half a brain and were larger than a pea, he'd invest some time and money into making the site look profession and credible instead of the pile of crap that it is. As heinous as Edmunds articles are, and as difficult a site as it is to navigate, I'll give it credit for looking organized and graphically nice. I bet Farago is one of those guys you just want to punch on site, when you see him, without even knowing its him whose site is a bigger hack job than the CHinese auto industry.

the jeep looks dumb.

love what they did to the charger! they got rid of the ugly ass hump on the rear quarter! looks nicer, almost athletic! the 300, not at all. the interiors that are new look deritive and korean. no imagination whatsoever. guess an 08 or 09 would be the 300 that i would want then.....since they killed magnum. 3 chances to do the interior right on this car and they failed all three times. any word on a competent v6 ( which is what this car needs, a 300hp DI v6 and AWD 6 speed tranny). I see they got rid of the moronic steering wheel too! yeay!

THANK YOU! i have wondered that myself, over and over. By the way the photo that dodgefan posted is the best! Call me old but i really think the car would benefit from a shorter greenhouse, longer deck, and lower hood. i would love to see someone photochop dodgefans posted pic, with a less hatchbacky deck and a smaller greenhouse and lower 90's style hood. the g8 has a low hood and a longer deck and it looks quite dashing. one thing about the long greenhouse though....the cts wagon, sedan, and coupe all have very similar side glass cuts (divided up differently for doors etc). the car in any config is recognizable as 'CTS'.....so i suppose any way you meat slice it, the car is instantly recognizable as a CTS from seeing the c pillar cut on the side glass.

nice car! hope this means your honda love dies now!

WHEN i was working LOL we had LaWMAN- one of the bosses BURRITO- the name did not stick because he didn't like it but he would eat at chipotle A LOT and some code names for the ladees in the office we would use on email so as not to draw much attention to actual names to IT and HR. all complimentary of course.

we'll all be lucky if cars larger than the current malibu survive these next 4 years of socialism and economic disaster.

just find a nice two year old CTS, that will be in a mainstream price.

i guess panther has a new ride.

pontiac cruze......lol

no reason for lincoln to have its own platforms. the ford platforms are already AWD. The only reason to do a new platform would be the MKR and that i think was nixed. any rear bias platform that ford undertakes will have to be for a future mustang, and that is not happnn anytime in the next 5 years. globally ford has nixed the notion of new rwd bias platforms since they simply are not needed.

cabin 'volume' likely shrunk due to the lower and more constricted greenhouse. however, the key numbers of width and leg room should not change, especially since the wheelbase was lengthened. the 08/09 had high seats, even if they drop them a tish it should not matter much. i don't expect to see much difference.......the accord is a nice size car now BTW finally but does not feel near as solid and substantial as the ford products do. honda still builds tin cans.

that is an audi font.

i am saying the SHO will outrun the CTS4, and do it for a lot less money, and will have a feature level that is very close to the CTS....wait the CTS does or does not have 350hp, paddle shifters, cooled seats, voice activated music selection, sirius travel link, blis, and adaptive cruise?. more car, less money, you will be surprised........

the only chance buick has of marketing the astra is the sedan. pontiac should get the astra IMHO. kill the vibe and g5. go astra, g6 (grand am), and g8 (grand prix).

the malibu and aura are the 98% the same fking car. drive them. actually i prefer the aura 51/49 myself. the notion of the aura and malibu being so vastly different is nothing but pure hogwash. even the seat freaking fabric is the same. dear lord, you buy the hype. the main substantive difference is the dashboard and some other interior trim. I think the aura's suspension might be tuned a little differently as well. the malibu might be a tish quieter. there is not enough difference to make the malibu the better car. its simply a styling decision.

maybe canadians are stupid, and the accord and aurora were in different segments anyways. the 2nd gen auroras around here went for good money.

not all dealers are bpg yet. so that is one reason pontiac stays. saturn is easy to kill. fewer dealers to buy out and an easier entity to sell off. saturn still outsells bpg i believe, if not its darn close. i think bpg combined is like 375 units / month. pontiac of course leads, followed by gmc and then buick. gmc is the only one that might profit. pontiac and saturn would have equal profits and buick only makes profit because of enclave. really saturn lost out because they are easier to separate and buy out. only reason. so gm will make buick a core brand, and give them all the resources, but each dealer sells 51 buicks per month and saturn sells about 9 times that per dealer with the 'opel product'. so i am not sure how killing pontiac and trying to market the snot out of an old man's brand like buick will recover all those sales. at least don't kill pontiac!!!!!!!!! gmc is being kept because its the moneymaker that will prop up buick while they scramble to figure out how to market the figgin thing. maybe saturn will be sold to GME change the name to Opel and we'll get the real goods here.