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well, that's the price of owning the car.

if mercedes was selling 20,000 dollar cars, you could see why they need to trim expenses, but they sell 80,000 dollar cars and still can't make enough money?

both are the same. Neither GM nor Mits can move most of their cars without them. So the pot calling the kettle black stuff is not a viable point number five. You have no other response because you know its true. Gm can't move iron without insane gimmicks either. So its simply not fair to rip on anyone for that. Be it Ford, Mits, VW, whoever. And that's ALL I'm pointing out, is that its hypocritical to say it, even though its true. Mazda's incentives are actually some of the highest right now. Your average Mazda 6 has about 6 grand in total discounts on the hood right now. Mazda is incentivizing leases on RX-8's so they can persuade anyone to take em for 200 bucks a month. The failure of the Mits zero zero zero program was very real, but it was because their lame ass customers couldn't afford to make payments on their cars. From a marketing aspect, their sales went up like 43% in two years. The fault was poor finance screening, not the cars. It wasn't the maker's fault. Your point number 5 was just a potshot and nothing else. Even if it were Ford or whatever, I would have to call 'you' on the carpet for it, even if it wasn't you. It's insane for a die hard GM fan to make a point of saying 'x' and 'x' has to resort to incentives to move cars. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in that statement, if it were anyone else ripping on any other competitor, your point #5 is just inherently hypocritical. whatever. You can say its not related. Its the same thing. one advantage a Raider has over a Dakota is a better warranty.

"I'm merely calling attention to Mitsubishi's alarming dependence on gimmicks to sell cars" scratch out "Mitsubishi", insert "(GM Brand)" here. its 'worked' basically only twice for GM. Once after 9/11, and just now for employee pricing. I'm sorry, but GM has had just an alarming dependence and its been no more successful otherwise. And c'mon, 6000 dollar and more rebates? Typical GM fare. GM's been running constantly on gimmicks since Sept 11, 2001. You have no leg to stand on trying to crucify another carmaker for the exact same sort of thing GM is the industry leader for. Do you know how horrible the sales for GM would be right now had they not pulled the Employee discount out of their ass 4 months ago? And now, they just keep riding it like a great big joke. GM's red ink and sales losses just kept mounting for most of this year and it took the monster of all gimmicks to fuck the public into thinking they were getting some spectacular once in a lifetime deal. That is the biggest gimmick of all time!

new face-nice the center stack still needs a redo. overall the new Fusion still looks nicer.

basically, I think they liked the car a lot, but they stopped short of gushing about it. Because you know, C/D cannot gush over a GM product. But if we weren't bombarded with this RWD phase/fad of cars right now that the mags are gushing over too, they would like the GXP even more.

yeah, exactly. And its quite noticeable when driving the SS. No sporting behavior at all. Its just a cruiser.

i happen to think the optional 18" wheels polished on the GTP G6 look tremindous. I love em! the new optional polished GTO wheels are very hot too.

"ya think you could find ONE vehicle in the GM stable to drive to work??? " yeah, you'd THINK SO, you'd think GM could produce even one vehicle some folks would desire over the competition. point is, maybe they don't. did that ever cross your mind?

hey brian, GM is the mother/king of gimmicks, though. EMPLOYEE PRICING? Red Tag sale, etc. Mits alone didn't do it.

i wonder if qwest will get those too.

of...? no seriously, some of them I know are kinda militant.

or the cable guy?

are those classic 'MAGS'?

If I need to get, say, an Ion sedan, how would these wheels look on it? 18" nice simple 5 spoke. show us the aftermarket wheels you like and where to buy them.

i think it was either my electra or my centry coupe we had sex in while driving. not for long, as its dangerous. hard to drive when she is riding you..mind you, that was YEARS ago. the front bench of the electra was big enough to perform a certain numerical action to each other in, the night of my sisters wedding. what else were we supposed to do during the wedding dance? in my tbird once, we parked at the top of a rural interstate off ramp and she crawled over the console and gearshifter, parked herself on top of the steering wheel/airbag cover and decided to hump the crap out of me. Tilt wheel has never come in so handy!

so do gay men generally like, dislike, or ar indifferent to lesbian women.? it seems to me that a lot of your butch lesbian women are quite sensitive and fiesty and you really gotta be careful what you say to them.

musta been a nice ass rug!

why can't I get a new new phone for my Qwest service at a Sprint store? Same fricking carrier. Qwest always has shit for phones to pick from. Why does Cingular get that kickass new RAZR and Sprint/Qwest have jack? My cheap ass Motorola dies after one year, its a complete POS and they think I should buy a new one. HELLOOOOOO POS. Make a phone that lasts, jerks. Why does Sprint/Qwest have such shitty phones? KYOCERA? HELLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOO why would i want that garbage? SANYO? they can't even make car stereos that don't suck. what's next, TEAC? BROKSONIC? CYBERHOME?

I've always figured once oreintation was definitely just nature, not nurture. I do think that the '18' rule in America and abroad is more a function of trying to assign one 'rite of passage' age to every facet of human life (except drinking). My MIL was 16 when she got married, been married for like 55 years now. Tell me FIL wasn't 'robbing the cradle'. Thing is, your average 16 yo high school girl nowadays is a proverbial slut in comparison to my MIL's behavior back then. Considering our body makes changes to adulthoood when we are 13 and 14 and 15 etc. but somewhere we've set up society here so that we've created this taboo zone from then till 18. I think it makes as many problems worse as it does keeps things from happening. I think we in some ways are isolating our younger folks from becoming responsible adults early enough, as much as we are protecting them from bad things happening. kind of a touchy topic all around. But considering how many older guys would be hitting on their neighbor's daughters if it weren't illegal, maybe that means its fine we have those laws in place.

i drove side by side with a silver solstice the other day on the road, and man, i love that car. the new Miata simply looks lame. The S2000 still is no looker. GM will keep improving this car since its Lutz' baby. I would love a GXP/turbo/superchared coupe. My 'mini Corvette'. The Miata sounds more delicate. The Solstice seems as if it has more potential to be tuned higher and higher, engine and chassis wise. The only Miata that's ever stirred my visually was the previous style i saw in yellow in a racing trim.

i dont mind the exterior. i think they botched the interior. digital gauges of any kind suck. the new dash is too bizarre, although it seems to fit the same theme as a hybrid prius. i think they styled the interior in a techie way to promote the civic hybrid.

its been done, with an automatic.

its tremendously hard to find any M6 pictures from the side angle or something where you get a good shot of the front overhang. I'm guessing that all the PR photos are taken to camo that huge fornt overhang.

wrong angle. pick another M6 picture. the Mazda6 has a HUGE front overhang.