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Thick thick thick thick thick boy, it must be a pain to be your wife...... I have said I am a proponent for choice.....FWD should always be available for those who don't care as much about driving feel, and in cars the size of Accord and below..

your views about the B body and old F body are outdated, since the corporation that existed then did not understand the public then the corporation that GM is now understands what the public wants your views on RWD are also outdated since you have not sampled the most current, you are outdated and basing your opinions on outdated cars. Go out and live a rich life.

you may only care about Buick because you are a loyal brand fanatic who's never read a book or visited the world....... I care about the whole company and the survival of each and every brand, I care about the lost jobs, I care about the history, I care about creativity...................I care that you get to understand where I am coming from, but you are too close-minded to see what my truth is.

People in CA don't buy Pontiacs, that's the big problem. And I reiterate my ignorant people comment if you resort to insulting Californians.

Last time I checked Buick shares a minivan, minivan platform [RDV], a midsize sedan platform, and an engine........ get over your antiquated thinking

this is what i want to say: you're an ass, a buzzkill, and the thickest person here you (1) try your damndest to misinterpret my posts or (2) are in the farthest left behind school there is until you read and comprehend my viewpoint, my retorts to you will be vague and direct just like this one. here is what I will add: READ DAMNIT.

let's look at it another way.... RWD gto is all retail sales.....dealers sell these solstice is all retail sales.....dealers also sell these FWD vibe is mostly retail sales, some fleet sales grand prix is over 50% fleet sales, dealers actually sell only about 75k of these per year, i don't know how many sold in CA, but disproportionate to how many purchasers are in CA versus cars sold compared to other cars G6 is 17% fleet sales, dealers sell about 170k per year [based on 200k/yr selling rate, what is G6 selling like these days in a year?] ....again not a huge amount of G6s are sold in CA, and is disproportionate compared to the number of car buyers there are here, and the number looks even more drastic compared to imports who sell a bulk of thier cars here. Face it people, GM will have to figure out how to cater to CA buyers' needs.

very very good points griffon. All of the markets I mentioned, and especially California, are among the biggest in the States. Sun Belt states are all still experiencing great growth rates than the others. reg, you are very very thick man. Pontiac can offer AWD for those that need it. That aside, by '08 all GM's will come with stability control standard. ABS standard. What more do you want? Have you ever tried driving a modern RWD car with these technological goodies in the snow? or, is all your spewing based on your experience with '70's, '80's and even '90's cars?

If you listen carefully, informed people aren't arguing against FWD, we're arguing for RWD. I am not against GM offering FWD cars of any kind---they already do. My problem is with the success of FWD large cars, and specifically the success of the Pontiac brand as an all FWD carmaker---and don't mention the Solstice or GTO, these are low volujme, niche examples. First, let us not forget, nearly every car in Pontiac's lineup is a sister to another car. There is nothing Pontiac does GM can't do elsewhere, and they already know this. There is nothing holding GM back from swinging the proverbial axe. I am not opposed to GM offering FWD large cars, but I feel that to get the kind of power the large car set is demanding these days, that power is better routed to the rear wheels. And rear wheel drive is inherently better balanced, so these two ton sedans won't be dealing with nose heavy designs, essentially making them neutral cars with planted, solid handling also pretty much guaranteeing good reviews from the all-important media. I am also not opposed to GM offering AWD, so the weather issue is a lame argument and curcuitous. It's childish, I've already argued for offering AWD, so get off your soapboxes and stop complaining. A lot of people here sound like parrots here---rehashing the same thing over and over again with no real end. The success of Pontiac is something close to my heart. In order for Pontiac to see life in the next decade--it needs to establish an identity that can set it apart from the millions of brands and choices there are today. Identity is produced in two ways---unique styling and product. If Pontiac were to do an all RWD lineup, you can guarantee hundreds of thousands of Californians, Arizonans, New Mexicans, Floridinians, and basically anywhere there is any kind of car culture and car enthusiasts, would all put thier ear on notice. Enthusiasts are important. We are the early adopters. We are the buzz creators----the people who spread the word of mouth. This is what excites us.....we share our excitement and other people become informed. The more cars of a type you see on the street the more people will want that car, and the more people will like that design if it's a well executed design. I've said it fifty times---the best advertisement is the rolling one. In order to get the rolling advertisement, GM must first produce exciting cars that set themselves apart in the marketplace. I have not seen one G6 coupe driving on the roads. Why? Not because Californians are elitist liberals like ignorant people in the middle of the country would have you believe---but because there is nothing special about the G6 that makes it a better choice than its already extremely competent rivals. Let's have GM produce cars that are outstanding and different and new entries to this crowded marketplace. Then we can build on that and get the mainstream cars some more acceptance by virtue of being in the same house as those smaller, more exciting cars.

sitting through reqieum is a lot like torture.....but it's definitely a worthy and well crafted film.

good news for GM stockholders, and Kirk is obviously seeing something he is still interested in at the tubes. good product unveilings are also helping investors to see the light.

whoever that is, you are one creative person....almost got me thinking it's the real deal..... and the maturity talk......genius

oh my goodness........ what's the word I'm looking for....oh ya, classic

the X5 is my favorite luxury SUV......in my mind only the cayenne comes clost for sport and total class.....the land rover is in a different, heavier, less nimble class, imho... the X3 is pretty fugly on the outside to my eyes, but I guess it's a decent ride for the price. Though the exterior grace of the X5 really puts the X3 to shame.

To add to the platform possibilites for G6, the talk over at Fastlane Blogs has GM promising a new small platform for sedans and coupes. Perhaps a medium size version of this could lead to a RWD G6, Torana-like car. That would be perfect imo. Heck, the Torana would be perfect.

Camino, I'll give some of my perspective on the issues you've posted about. 1. Names don't make a difference to me. I don't beleive it was me who said G4, G6, G8, but if I did, then i'll restate that it doesn't make any difference either way to me. This will ultimately have an effect on marketing, and the name should match the image of the car, I feel. So whatever comes out of design should get the appropriate name. And I agree with you alphanumerics won't do these Pontiacs justice. G6 should have Grand AM, it makes a nice replacement for that car, but can't live up to creating it's own new image in this crowded market. 2. Agreed on the issues of shape and size of both cars being too similar. GTO should stay GTO and Camaro should be Camaro. I can deal with G6 [ or whatever it's called] sharing a general profile with some distinctive fascias from the GTO. Since we have a Camaro without a platform, all we can do is speculate at this point. We do have a lot of information from Lutz and various insiders, and size is something that could probably change but not drastically. over at Cz28 someone would be able to give you an update on the latest Lutz-ings talking about size issues. 3. Pontiac, at this point, is fighting for its life. Being a shadow of its former self and more easily dispensible since being folded into the BPG channel, Pontiac needs a business case for whatever may come. That's why the idea for a GTO based off the G6 coupe came up in the first place, to create a feasible business case for these cars that are not anywhere near likely possiblities right now. Basically, there is no program for a future GTO right now, and we should be lucky to see one in the next few years. That's why I have no problem if GTO takes a hiatus. I know it's probably painful, but if Pontiac comes back once a resurgent GM is back in place, they will be in a much better place to make profit. And then there is the renewed importance of good design over at GM signified by Camaro, Aura, Enclave, Sky, Solstice, NG CTS, NG Malibu. All this means if we ever do get a GTO, expect it to be damn good. Hope this helps.

Let me add to that story a little bit. The real big issue was the kind of snow that was coming down and the rate at which it was coming down. I stepped on the throttle and the snow was just slippery enough and piling on the road just right that my car ended up spinning. I really didn't do much after I lost control, and I got to school fine after that.

which is really my point exactly. my 240 was missing traction control, stability control and winter tires. no helping nannies equals big risk.thanks for the comment reg. I enjoyed that, seriously. I know it seems like a screwy situation to be in, I was really only scared at the point it lost control and I realized I wouldn't be able to do anything about it anymore, once I was on the other side of the road I really wasn't panicing. It was grace and it was a miracle that saved me and allowed no cars to be near me on this usually very busy road. However, all the electronic nannies, or at least tires with better traction would have helped.

when you're a starving actor in LA....you don't really go to supermarkets.... supermarkets come to you in the form of prostitutes, oh yeah! I don't know what I'm saying?

Croc's a cool cat.But I wouldn't take offense to it Crocy, I think ocean took something you said and interpreted it differently. Now we can all get back to holding hands....

pepsi twist was pretty good to my tastes, though it was barely discernible....

that is damn funny... happy birthday

Aura concept was also on display at LAIAS. Great looking car for sure, but it could stand to be a bit wider, methinks. Can't wait for the production version to debut.

seen two xlr's in the past two days. tis awonderful day in a wonderful place

I think razor is probably beyond the point of caring about his investment....