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Aside from concept extremes and eccentricities, I really really don't see a problem with the interior. I think it's simply designed and even elegant for a pony car. It blows the Mustang away in looks and style. Quality and features and the extreme parts of it are obviously still too early to judge.

While the Enclave is a fairly beautiful and thoroughly executed car, GM will have to set pricing levels realistically, and undercut the competition [significantly if they are shooting for the RX], at least at first, to gain buyers and respect. The important thing is to make these cars attainable and to make the car so attractive people HAVE to buy it. Pricing is still an important factor. A loaded Enclave like the one presented at the auto show should go for no more than 40-44k.

Rancho Cucamonga! Just watch Next Friday to know all about that neighborhood!

I have to agree with you on these points OC. Especially disappointing to me is that that same hard dash material can be found in everything GM does new---except the new Escalade, which had soft touch materials, easily the best GM interior, along with the Sport Combi I sat in. It's really disappointing feeling that material in the Lucerne, somewhere it has no business being in. Impala, Lucerne, Cobalt, HHR, Tahoe all have it. Needless to say, this discovery was really disappointing.

you're numbers are a bit misleading. As Brokeback continues to expand into more screens it's per theater average will drop. Focus Features is doing a dramatic increase expansion that will only continue the buzz for the movie, so they're doing a good job. But this movie has already opened in its biggest markets, and now only the Oscars will give it a significant push. It may reach $70 mil when all is said and done, but that would be surprising. More likely it will end around $50-55 mil Brokeback is easily not a flop by any means, I don't know that anyone here was trying to say that though. Hollywood is doing everything they can to guarantee its success.

apples and oranges. King Kong will make 1.5 times what it made in the US across the globe. Brokeback may make another $30 million. Newer movies see the bulk of profit in DVD sales, Kong will be all conquering in that respect. Kong's production budget was $207 million, it will take three more days before it sees that total amount. Yes, marketing is another issue, but you can rest assured the massive totals will continue rising. You invited the comparison. Kong just left the top three for the first time in its five weeks of release.

you got tagteamed in a rare effort. sorry for the ill treatment, I think it was the wording of one looks like the other, which just isn't true.

there aren't too many similarities between the GTO and the cavalier to say one looks like the other. It would be like saying the new Tahoe looks like the Expedition because they have a similar overall stance. The GTO and Cavalier share a similar stance, beltline, roofline, and C-pillar. Other than that, they look NOTHING alike. Thier are similarities in the designs, mostly because both were released in the same decade in thier original iterations. They do NOT look like one another, just have some common DNA.

happy birthday croc-orama!

Actually I'm seen several Solstices already. How many have you seen, BV? I think California would consider more Pontiacs if they were cooler and had the quality and performance to back up the styling. The styling needs to get better in most cases, too.

the new 9-5 with it's corporate switchgear has lost presence and quality, imo. Again, GM strikes with thier cost-cutting efforts, without realizing the $15 they save per car really really hurt the image of these sporting Euro cars. They don't even have the same quality as those in the 9-3 range, they actually feel cheaper. WTH, GM? Will you ever learn? Stop killing the distinctive qualities of your brands.

yes. you liked the A8 better; I think that's one gorgeous. I don't have a problem with monochromatic design one bit. I think it's great in it's class.

Agreed. I think the Tahoe is among the closest GM has gotten (can't remember which was the GM car that felt the best, except maybe the Sport Combi over at Saab, maybe Croc can help me on that one). The Lucerne's plastic is pretty inexcusable for it's class. There were many many cars that disappointed me however, and some that really impressed me, like Ford's Fusion and 500. Those dash plastics have actually gotten to a really good place over at Ford. For Lucerne and Tahoe to have harder dash's than a midline Ford is not so good. That said, the Tahoe is an incredibly sweet car in every other respect, that engine would be the kill that would draw me in.

pretty much! all in the sake of keeping up with the competition. look to lexus, bmw, and infiniti and you'll see these numbers are where they are going too.

Did the sounds of sucking just become wholly more perceptible to everyone else here? BM, I thought you had enough of us last time when you ran out of the room grimacing. If you were a loyalist, you would be rooting for GM and not asking Delphi to strike, or making up infantile, nonsensical stories about an important car. I've enough of your pollution.

When I sit behind this, I think "this is one of the most interesting and appealing designs in the mid-size lux arena".

The improvements are drastic. Everything in the Lucerne is a million times more fluid and modern than that clunky Lesabre. That said, the Lucerne has some ways to go before being really accepted in the 30k crowd. The Avalon I sat in at LAIAS had superior materials and a more interesting design. The rest of the 30k crowd has superior materials and superior design quality to the Lucerne's GM copyrighted dash.

Juicy Couture=brand of clothing 68. A number of rap stars, rap producers, and rapper's girlfriends work out at your club and you had no idea until you overheard them talking.

I'm sure all here give thier deepest sympathies to you and your loss. I'm sure this is a terrible time for something like this, but it is understandable that some are skeptical given Chief's questionable history with the site to those closest to the situation. I'm sure we all have fond memories, and speaking as an outsider I only saw what Chief let on on the boards, which was mostly positive and a nice guy in general. It is with sincere sympathy I heard as this is the worst thing that can happen to anybody in life in my book. My question is why let this bother you? Why should you or Chief's family care at all what some group of people say on the internet? I can understand being upset that this is going on in a time when you are grieving, but these are perfect strangers to you, thier opinion shouldn't make that much of a difference to you. In the context of the Chief's past here though, it is understandable some are skeptical. I'm very very sorry for your loss, and I mean this with the best intentions. I will pray for the best for you and for him and his family.

in order to be competitive it will need to see above 400 hp in Cadillac applications.

it's called good marketing, and it's called toyota relying on a government-enforced agency to provide proof of a selling point for thier vehicles. In all those ads you see that little asterisk? That little asterisk is telling you these are EPA certified figures. The same EPA that does exactly the same tests for Chevrolet and gives the Malibu with the V6 and EPA verfied highway mileage of 32. Good marketing. GM could use some of it.

nice to hear that, i know i would like one....a lot

the key is in the execution and the investment GM offers them. Saab has long suffered simply because as Croc above has stated the investment GM has offered it has been next to nothing. When the 9-3 was released, in it's second model year, Saab had a record year because of it. The car was newer then, competition was not as intense, and Saab is a luxury alternative with a cool image many seek. Momentum was going and GM sabbotaged it with no products or updates. Now we have a refreshing of a car that is at least ten years old and widely recognized as uncompetitive due to that fact. We also have a new wagon. A wagon in market that categorizes wagons in an unflattering manner. 9-3 languishes in one of the most intense and scrutinized segments in the industry. basically, all bad news and an aging, but still somewhat appealing thanks to great styling, lineup. Saab suffers due to lack of investment. Execution has not been there in recent times, but this goes back to the lack of newer platforms. 9-3 with one model sold 30k units in one year, and that is fantastic if you consider Saab's limited marketing and limited dealer body. As for burning through GM's cash, I agree with Croc's assessment. If GM had the foresight when they saw how good a product the new 3-series sedan was in 1999 and the 5-series, they could have really put some dollars into Saab and would currently have a hot property. The way I see it now, Saab has no ill will for it, except from enthusiasts who don't know any better, but the general public would have no problem accepting Saab products, replete with good styling

razor, you tainted this thread like you taint most posts with your mindless, unintelligible rants. You have no valid arguments against flowmotion's opinions except some mindless insults. you were being tactful? the school of tact you graduated in must have been the left behind school. you have proven yourself to be incapable of intelligent adult discourse and discussion and yet to continue degrading yourself. you should try accepting other's opinions for what they are and not dragging people through the mud because it doesn't fit your view of the world.

ya, it looks like crap. chalk it up to GM to put out a material that not even vaguely looks like what is in vogue and try to pass it off as expensive and fashionable.