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^ True, dat. There's a reason the '70s japanese trucks were replaced; they were horrible. And the reason none are left by the '90s is the dreaded tin worm.

As a gag, looked at the Rivian R1T configurator. This 'new normal' where everything beyond 2 colors is $1500 extra is REE-DICK-U-LUSS. [Emphasis on 'dick']. So there's like almost no options, but as I abhor extremely light colors, I had to click on a $1500 surcharge to get a non-light color. $69 grand for a truck with a Gladiator-size bed, and a useless 'cargo tunnel' I can't think of a use for. Rivian is officially out for me.

I really liked the Carbon Black at GMC, but it was a 2020 color only.

Gov't will not allow only domestic power-equipment companies to supply the U.S. It was so disappointing that the wind turbine market (parts/tech) was quickly swallowed nearly whole by China; it was a clean break that could've 'created jobs' and disallowed 'foreign controls over our power'. Opportunity squandered. Same will happen upon any vast increases in the 'renewables' segments. It's like Gov't's foot hurts, so it chainsaws one hand off so the foot 'feels better'. Bill Nye is yet another who fails to see the big picture.

Smart businesses always keep an eye on the bottom line. We saw the comparison here of the Tesla vs. Ford police cars- the IC cop car was $29 grand ahead of the electric, and had a lot less maintenance. The pricing on EVs is almost always MUCH higher than IC versions...

Would be nice to see GM get back to development times they used to do.

We're the same age, Horse. I was really good forever, but the last year or so has taken me basically to 'wake up & see what hurts today' status. Rivian -for me- has a useless bed. That 'cargo tunnel' lopped like 1.5 feet out of it. But shouldn't be too difficult to build a bed version without it. But I'm not paying $70 grand for a truck.

It'll be priced too high. And I still prefer IC.

But they're not SOLD with those.

$50 grand and steel 'spare rim' wheels. Land Rover = junk.

Right, but it's on 'the list' of PHEVs / BEVs. For true BEVs, 2019 ran Tesla, Tesla, Chevy, Tesla, nissan.

^ To clarify; the GM-to-Cadillac offer is to ALL dealerships; 880 is the total number of Cadillac dealers right now.

Clyde Revord has (22) Sierras ~ 1500 base : $34K Elevation : $46K, $51K, $52K. SLE : $49K (3) AT4s @ $65K (7) Denalis : $67K - $70K. They're not "all $70K"...

My dealer right now has only (5) 1500s :: (2) W/Ts @ $41K, (2) Elevations @ $52K - $54K, and (1) SLT @ $60K. Other local dealer has (12) :: (7) Elevations from $45K - $52K, and (3) Denalis from $69K - $70K. There's no "$100,000" Sierra 1500s as you claimed; I don't believe you can option one that high. The 2 $70K Denalis are the first I've seen here starting with a '7'. These are MSRPs, BTW, the advertised prices are lower; the $70K Denalis are tagged at $62K.

Your numbers are way off. Rivian STARTS where the Silverado High County & GMC Denali stop. I look at the sierra locator regularly- I haven’t seen a Denali over $70K, even if its possible to option one up that high; they don’t seem to be getting built that loaded.

200K plus trucks per year? At those prices??? They’ll be enormously fortunate to sell 15K in ‘21.

Lordstown truck is hideously ugly and the Rivian is a luxury toy. Both are no-go’s.

Atlis has been deathly quiet for what seems like a year now, but their site still says 2021 they'll have a 6.5' bed 4x4 EV starting at $45K. Kinda wonky up front, but I like it better than the Rivian. We'll see... but I don't buy first MODEL generation vehicles, I'm certainly not going to buy a first BRAND generation vehicle.

I'm actively shopping right now for a 1500. And I'm certainly mentally willing to work for many more years, but my body is starting to argue with that. Tow ratings around 9000 seem fine (I think my 2500HD is around 11.2K). I'm terrifically smitten by the 3.0L TD at GM, what a great powertrain via the specs. I don't like delivery. I prefer to handle it all myself. If I have to go to the store to pick the materials anyway, I might as well haul it right there. One job I got 16' Trex decking, I borrowed a trailer and hauled it myself. I'm not sure the box stores have the capacity to deliver those lengths anyway. Another job I had to move 20-foot fencing pipes, I used my truck w/ a rig I built to go into the hitch receiver. My truck is holding up the 'truck cards' of 1000 short bed Denali's. The only job I had materials delivered was for an entire house construction. :p My #1 issue is finding a crew cab / 6.5-ft bed. They're hella scarce among the Big 4 as it is, but most of the proposed EV trucks don't offer that, and I don't expect they will; those will have to come from GM / Ford / Ram.

I gotcha, but personally I don't see me ever buying an EV truck, too much would have to align for that to happen (on the product side).

• Luckily my son graduated last year, and already has just over a year of work under his belt- no more 110 mile one-way runs. • Even otherwise; I drive over 100 miles in a day maybe once a year. • Charging at home would work for me, tho my truck doesn't fit thru any of my garage doors, so I'd have to run a cord outside, under the garage door, to plug in, then coil it up in the AM. Still likely only a weekly occurrence in my situation (even tho an EV truck will never fit my bill). Most I've ever plugged in my block heater in winter is maybe 4 times/yr - it's not that big a deal. Would be far nicer doing so were it in a garage, tho. But I've personally worked at a number of homes that have NO DRIVEWAY- they street park. Those people are going to likely need public chargers somewhere. And there's obviously apartment dwellers in the same boat. And long-distance commuters/ service folk/ etc who's employers have no chargers / have no end destination. These folk (and whoever is buying vehicles like a $35K e-Golf and writing Plugshare reviews), seemingly have a need for public chargers. Otherwise, there'd be no pressure to build them. It's not all long-haul travelers. I know this because the Tesla station across the street isn't on a long-distance highway, and there's always cars there on weekday mornings. These people weren't driving all night- they're cheap bastards (in $90K cars). I'm still trying to figure out if they think they're impressing anyone or not.