balthazar

Yep. Wonder if the ‘CT8’ is still on track.

Sounds like you’re merely particular. You’re in a series of SUVs and the market is moving steadily to SUVs. You’re actually in the catbird seat.

Only one of the ‘Z’s I find appealing stylistically is the 350. The rest I find ‘mediocre’. A customer maintaining his deceased brother’s house still has his bro’s Z ( the white gen in the above pic). I looked it over, sat in it. Interior is done in ‘automotive burlap’. Did nothing for me from any angle.

Drew :: I understand what you're saying, but the question wasn't 'what vehicles can't navigate your driveway?'; it was addressing a claim that GM 'needs a stylistic trend away from coasting mediocrity of blah design'. I personally don't see GM design today being anything less than on par with the competition, or in some cases exceeding it. On the point of potential sales in the short run, I agree. However, in that the industry is moving in that direction, AS LONG AS there are IC trucks alongside an EV trim, I'm fine with that. With global market share at 2.6%, it's not likely IC is going anywhere in our lifetime. EV sales will piddle along in the short run- those that want one can pony up & hopefully be happy. The long run is anyone's guess.

Yeah, but design doesn’t have to be ‘ahead of the curve’ to NOT be mediocre... unless you think the median industry desogn level is mediocre.

The above posts kinda splits the point. Under the topic of ‘mediocre design’, there are a bunch of vehicles I like that I still wouldn’t buy; I need/want a large truck: just because I wouldn’t buy a Corvette doesn’t mean I can’t find it highly appealing stylistically. Conversely, one can buy something they don’t find particularly striking visually. And what if I’m in love with 6 or 8 different vehicles? Buying or not buying is secondary to the discussion. I LOVE the Sierra Denali’s looks, but I’m not buying one. Once everything is mediocre, nothing is.

The industry has GREATLY homogenized stylistically, more now than in the last 70 years. And as the vast majority of amenities spreads down thru the cheapest lines of vehicles, the reason for so many different vehicles (platforms / sizes) becomes more & more irrelevant. The industry doesn't need Car B to 'fill the space' between car A and Car C, it needs to INCREASE the physical gaps; make Car A and Car D. Having 6 CUVs spaced 10 inches apart with slightly rearranged visual clues costs BILLIONS... when where the industry should be going is more like 3 CUVs that are distinctly different. THis better supports significant pricing tiers, and finally admits no one NEEDS a CUV that's 8 inches shorter than the one they're staring at on the lot right now.

• The only Cadillac alloys in this period ('77-79) was on the FWD Eldorado ('79 and up). And you could get genuine wire wheels on the Seville Elegante. But the big cars either had hubcaps or wire wheel covers; didn't get alloys until it went FWD in '85. • That Pontiac above looks like their version of what Buick dubbed 'Lido Lavender'.

SIlverado, Corvette, CT5, Escalade, Malibu, upcoming Hummer, Camaro, still the Enclave.... plenty of striking design out of GM these days relative to the industry. Certainly not 'mediocre' compared to the competition. What; Nissan? Toyoter? BMW? I think not. Compare styling- who's mediocre?

? 1970 Cadillac 'Chateau Mauve Firemist' :

^ In my experience, it's very rare that GM ever re-used colors over significant amounts of time. I thought I had an example; a one-year only color, Pontiac (and Olds/ Buick/ Chevy) had 'Skyline Blue' in '64. I know I read a piece on a '72 Pontiac where it was special painted that code paint... but it doesn't show up on paintref.com's cross-reference site. Must've been a true one-off in '72. - - - - - In looking at '58 Pontiac colors, the one that looks closest to my eye to the Cad you pictured is 'Sunrise Coral', but it's a '58-59 color only. I think many people are under the impression that the automotive color palette is ultimately quite limited, when as a matter of fact it's enormous. What is even closer to the Cad is Pontiac's '64 Sunfire Red, a lovely color... but it's a another one-year only, Buick/Pontiac-only color: The Caddy pictured appears to be 'Light Cedar Firemist', but it's only a '79 Cadillac color. The Firemist paints were unique metallics, only on Cadillacs. Cadillac had 20 colors in '79, with 6 of those being extra-cost Firemist metallics.

Cadillac didn’t share paint palettes with the other divisions every time I’ve ever checked: 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s at least. Here’s the darker red ‘77 Olds color (I think), and all other GM uses/names:

Blorf. About 5 yrs back my local Ford dealer had a bright yellow F-150 STX; it sat on the lot about 6 mnths cause no one wanted it.

Always though it was the worst. I generally agree with your other points (no B-59 / big truck yellow-family, '70s GM 2-tone trucks look good). I liked the circa 2018 retro-painted SIlverados, and I would not have thought I would based on a verbal description.

More feel-good marketing spin. EVERY brand out there has -or will in the next 11 minutes- claim the very same thing.

I have a hard n fast ban against yellows & oranges personally, but I like that the choices are there.

Meh- Dodge has 12 color options, Silverado has 10. Dodge has 1 bright blue, but like 4 in the gray family. It seems like a better palette but in looking directly, I think both could use serious improvement. Lookit dis :

I have seen others of my truck's generation where the rockers are full of gaping holes. Mine are starting to bubble, but no holes there YET (soon). Doors and underside of cab are great. But both bumpers need to get replaced (I have them). Everything else body-wise is good.

My 2500HD has sizable fender flares (factory). One rear one was getting loose at the front edge- turns out a few fasteners are missing BECAUSE THE SHEET METAL THEY USED TO SECURE THE FLARE TO IS ALSO MISSING. I have some generic plastic 'plugs' that -after I found some solid metal- I drilled and tapped in; flare tight again (for now). Need to look at brakes this weekend- have to tow a piece of equipment Monday for work. Brakes have been... feeling lazy, and the E-brake cable snapped a good 4 years ago now.

'20 base SIlverado RC/LB with the 4.3 V6 starts at $24,595 with zero options. Put 17" painted aluminum rims on for $350 and it's $24945. That's no cruise, crank windows. With destination (now $1600), minus the package discount (what package?) plus cash allowance and the bottom line price is still : $24,945. I don't think that's bad for the year 2020.

Ferrari, Rolls, Jaguar, Jeep.... many many OEMs bought GM Hydramatic units of various designs and put them into their vehicles. But yes; best case scenario is that GM produces them in-house.

But you are advocating (unless you are privy to inside future GM plans). And regardless of the cost of an LCD display, no OEM is going to incorporate it and LOWER PRICES. The very idea is laughable. On the contrary, just because many perceive it as an upgrade (look at what price tier vehicles offer it now), the inclusion of an all-digital dash will cause a price spike. TRUCK BUYERS DON'T WANT ANY PRICE SPIKES- the average lot Silverado is closing in on $50 grand. The tech is fine/great in a top shelf product; leave it at Cadillac.

Escalade is a vehicle that is unique in interior & exterior and starts near $80K. It's illogical to expect a $32K work / fleet truck to sport a multi-thousand dollar OLED digital dash. GM has moved nicely away from homogenized interface components, and prices are ALREADY TOO HIGH. Pleas don't advocate them going higher by putting Cadillac interface tech in base Chevy pickups.

Horse pucky. Gears & chains, engineered by a missile tech dude. Indestructible.