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Schlock Marketing 101. Most consumers are too distracted by meaningless minutia to ponder much critically.

Noticed one of these a couple days ago out on the road. Really unfortunate styling all around. Would not want to be seen in.

I've probably read 1,000 articles on Pontiacs over the years, I really can't recall Pontiac being referred to by a writer as having 'kidney'-shaped grilles. I guess a couple might've been in there, but it certainly hasn't been even 5% via my observations. Probably because they simply have never been produced in that shape. It's likely a thoughtless bleed-over from BMW. Journalists are notoriously lazy & inaccurate. I would never call them that because... as stated above.

NONE of them to date; Rivian, Atlis, Lordstown, Via, Nikola... are doing anything appearance-wise to pull any of the loyal truck buyers away from what they love.

Don't care for the overwraught styling; too garish. What the hell is with the 'neon' tube along the side?? I also agree the giant triangular C-pillar is simply weird.

^ You keep calling them 'kidney' shaped. What about them makes you think that?

You can say 'until exactly what I want comes along and I decide to buy one' all day long, but that runs dangerously close to the 'vaporware' scenario. IMO - either support both until you make the switch & divest yourself of IC, or stop bashing other people's preferences. Again, just one guy's opinion. BTW : 'oil-dripping, smoke spewing' comments certainly could fall under 'fake IC info'.

Buddy - none of those are kidney shaped. Google image 'kidney'.... BMW's has used ovals and squares, but never an actual kidney bean shape. Weird... but I'm instantly reminded of the attempt to label volvo's lights as 'Thor's hammer' - IMO that's about like calling a Pinto 'aspirational'. Early on they did :

You'd certainly have to narrow things down to critique: Pontiac only used the split grille in a 150 different applications over 50 years.

I was never sure how this term came about, either with regards to BMW, or (and I've not seen them termed such before, I don't think); Pontiac. Neither have either had a kidney shape to them. Pontiac's were commonly referred to as a 'split grille'.

Shockingly enough, that's not the purpose of 'government', but they've made it Job #1. Actually, as the outlier, it's Tesla that's skewing the numbers. But that's more about brand there.

I no longer strongly care for Pontiacs in the '70s. Here, I'm talking about the big cars- Pontiac shifted their focus from the full-size to the intermediates once the GTO cemented itself in success. I sad. The 'ice cube tray' taillights of above don't do anything for me; not much effort from a design standpoint. Nothing 'wrong' with them, they just fall far short of the decade earlier. I think that focus shift cost Pontiac 3rd place in sales; it was #3 from '61 thru '70, but then #4 or #5 thru the '70s.

- - - - - Found this while lookin for that: '74 Grand Ville coupe. 455, big 4bbl, cam, TH400, 3.90 gears, 91 octane... Quarter mile in 11.5 @ 116. She's thick :

And so a preference was permanently ingrained. - - - - - I appreciate your sentimental recollection. My grandfather had a string of Pontiacs - I only have one memory of his gold '72 Grand Ville, and a few more of his '76 Grand Ville. He always traded in, so the '72 left for the '76 (and the '76 got T-boned, replaced by a '78 Sedan deVille). My grandfather liked to recollect how his '72's 455 would pull. Said he was coming home early one morning from fishing, wanted to 'see what it would do'. He said it was still pulling strong at an indicated 120 MPH when he had to back out of it. Basically the '72 was this, but I recollect a proper metallic gold, and this is more a beige :

What's with the millionth-place calculations? Getting tax reimbursements out that far to the right of the decimal? I'd like to know what the billionth place number is next time.

Super clean :

Did you ever post a pic of the actual car you owned, blu? If you did, I don't remember it. Gonna guess it was... green.

THIS is a proper Catalina :

WINING & DINING = dropping coin. Not sidewalk kiosk food fare.

Interesting article on EVs vs. the almighty state revenue stream (Norway). Someone, either the IC owner or the taxpayer (Hmmm, that would be the same person) is going to get hosed, in all likelyhood : https://www.yahoo.com/news/electric-car-warning-signals-denmark-134208182.html

Sure, but this sort of thing is SOP; brand new models get graded as to resale & reliability when they've been on the market for a week. I suppose the non-egg / non-Tesla EVs don't remotely sell in numbers capable of providing data (i-pace, e-tron, etc).

huh? Just read a piece that said the average IC auto loses 39% in 3 yrs, compared to EVs which lose 52%.... with the Tesla 3 being the exception @ 10-15%.

2366 CI diesel, 1700 torque. Interesting critter :

Let the lawmakers set (reasonable) future standards, let private enterprise rise to the standard and let the consumer make their own decision. With the reputed "LESS PARTZ", and the general huge price tag of EVs, OEMs have a chance (in the future; not now) to make higher margins on EVs. Someday. There's the potential for motivation right there. But spending massive, trillions of now-precious taxpayer money on 're-education' or whatever generally ineffective program Big Gov't manages to bungle into policy, is a horrible ROI right out of the gate.

I didn’t see any Spam when I was in Hawaii, but I was wining & dining when there...