balthazar

THAT'S THE SAME DISHES!! ARE YOU TRYING TO TAKE CREDIT FOR THE LIL WHITE SAUCER?? And; I didn't know people actually ate spam as a main component. Pennsylvania!

@ the community garden ~

Yeah- either ‘54 or ‘55. Well done.

Some might call them 'soulless generic bland disposable appliances', but I'm not sure they were ever that good.

All that Pontiac sheet metal would be grand wrapped around an AMerican chassis & powertrain! - - - - - Taking ID guesses on the car shown here. I know what it is, took about 5-7 seconds (I was being careful).

'40 is the last year. Prob a '38-40, but I've not committed LaSalles to memory.

Is the rice steamed as well, or is it boiled?

Phone or computer; no. But a TV is no big deal; no moving parts and you never touch it physically (not that I know where, offhand, to buy a used TV). I bought a used freezer from my barber for $40 and it's been humming along in the garage for probably 6 years now. 'Technology changes' are immaterial; if the device you bought did what you needed it to when you bought it, it should continue to do those same functions for some years. You don't have new needs; you have marketing department conditioning.

From just tangential observation, it does seem EV battery packs last longer than expected. I also saw that a 1st gen Leaf battery replacement costs $5500 ( 2017 price).

That wasn't remotely my scenario.

Except the one I scenario'd. Saying one solution is 'charging your EV when you're shopping at Costco' isn't responding to any comment I've made here. That's fine, but it's not, really, conversing on my point. And I'll go back to it : IF any municipal 'bans' on IC vehicles proposes to be a unilateral & all-encompassing ban, where existing IC vehicles can no longer be registered... that approach is untenable and likely indefendable legally. My entire platform in this topic hinges on "ban". (I've stated multiple times I have no issue with EVs existing). Your needle is stuck.

^ I feel like you guys aren't reading my posts. There are people living VASTLY different life styles than you are. Even if you can't relate, you get that, don't you??

They built a 2 new Wawas near me, less than 2 yrs old, from razed sites. 12 gas pumps, propane tanks, 2 air towers, ice machine. Zero chargers. 2nd one I am pretty positive has zerp chargers. Brand new Quick Check opened this year, ground up build, 12 or 16 pumps, no chargers. NJ is running far behind on getting public chargers out there. There’s a few, but you’d have to plan on getting to them.

And I'm not talking about everyone, but those who would not be able to manage IF their IC car was banned and they couldn't afford even a 10-yr old leaf. Pics of a mercedes plugged in is another world from what I'm talking about. Do you know how many houses I work at with NO external outlets? Co-incidentally; 2 yesterday. Not all areas allow cords draped across public walkways, and less allow you to 'reserve' a street parking spot. Seattle has their conditions defined : https://www.seattle.gov/Documents/Departments/SDOT/CAMs/CAM2119.pdf

That's great, for you. And likely a majority of folk. But not everyone. Which was my earlier statement. That's great, for you. And likely a majority of folk. But not everyone. There ARE folk who can't even consider a $60 fee to buy groceries. They shop in places like this, which may never have a public vehicle charger, ever :

I'll nutshell my interjection here : the "BAN". The term needs to be defined, and of course it's going to vary widely depending on the source. This was from a Feb '20 article : As stated above [RED ARROW], I can live with that (bill failed to get voted on, BTW). There's a semblance of attrition allowed to work naturally... so that 10s and 10s of millions of IC vehicles will still be running & driving for decades & decades & decades to come. That's as it should be, and there the lowest income folk don't get stepped on right away. Also- it allows the classic car hobbyist to continue to preserve that history/hobby. However, the focus then swings to the vast majority of the market- the middle. 2030 is only 9 years from now. There had better be a CRAP TON of truely median-priced choices out there, instead of Bollingers & Rivians and Daimler EQs (if they ever get into production) and Hummer EVs, cause the vast bulk of EVs available NOW and announced for the NEAR FUTURE are all hella expensive... other than a few.

I appreciate the back-n-forth, 442.

No one here is crying or denying or wailing or making excuses. I'm simply applying real world scenarios / questions that a unilateral ban unquestionably would see the disadvantaged, further disadvantaged. Have the 'ban ideologues' considered these scenarios? Are you sure? - - - - - Let me interject this here: have any of these U.S. proposed IC bans been defined at literally banning ALL IC vehicles at Date X, or is it merely banning the FUTURE SALE of new IC vehicles? I strongly doubt a unilateral ban would stand up legally (the grandfathering legal basis), but I put nothing past idiot planners & 'the good of the many' futurists. - - - - - I agree that people have and will continue to persevere, but note that the BASE LEVEL of what people have to endure, in general, has risen over time. Decades ago, if you had a phone, it was common to be on a party line with 1 or more other families. Nowadays, if you qualify, the Gov't gives you a free smart phone, because somehow it's a 'necessity' that the taxpayer should cover. I didn't get a smart phone until 2019 (by choice tho). My buddy, born in '55, grew up in a Brooklyn tenement building. 4 tiny apartments on each floor shared a common bathroom. Codes haven't allowed such to be built that way in probably over 50 years. Saying it's OK for poor folk to lose their cars, be unable to afford an old EV (and if they could- have no place to charge it other than driving to a corporate retail place and sitting for hours), and told 'just ride the bus everywhere / pay for a taxi' seems incredibly cold-hearted. I mean; we're already dealing with folk so wretchedly downtrodden they have no ID if they had to show it to vote. :rolleyes:

So you're saying people struggling & living at or below the poverty line have no will to do better for themselves, and are content to stay at their station in life. Interesting.

Of course, because it's an import brand, any examination of it's sales is irrelevant. Right, smk?

Yeah, but, that’s totally irrelevant to the discussion. It’s not even a point of contention.

One's man's 'excuses' are another man's reasons. "I can do / did it, why can't you?" is not always valid.

^ That's open. No good. You need a '68 Grand Prix if you wanna be a gangster.

That was the same sentiment from the beginning.