balthazar

The Bolt and Model S are not remotely in the same price range. That said- they are widely compared by both the press & consumers because the main purchase factor for both is being a high range EV. Different buyers have different criteria.

The point the benevolent do-gooders @ CR apparently have no idea of is, full-size truck buyers, ESPECIALLY at the HD range, aren't cross-shopping much at all, and of the mere 3 brands available- are very comparable in a criteria that HD truck buyers just do not care about.

Common sense tells you cars start at all different prices. Point is not the base price, but from the standpoint of the business side; why a company would not build a base MSRP entry level model until sometime later, esp when that is how the brand got the bulk of it's pre-orders (when a car wasn't shown until much later after orders were opened up). Even if an OEM 'front-loads' higher priced models to take advantage of the 'Gotta Have Nows', the point is still if the the company is taking advantage of consumer activity or is dependent on it for survival. We all know Cadillac is profitable whereas Tesla never has been.

Tesla's profit point is difficult to pinpoint, yes. But obviously it's well above the current scenario of losing three-quarters of a billion /yr. Adding a much lower priced model with a margin so thin they company decided to bar selling at the advertised base price for the short term is NOT a good sign. Further, continued development on other vehicles (Model Y, semi, small truck) will just continue to suck capital. Where did you get this 'information'?

The question is, is the slicing off of the bottom S models indicative of a steady march upward on the Model 3 price? We already know there's no profit at the $35K level... maybe not at $40K. If the 3 is meant to save the company, will it have to primarily be $45-55K or more?

A company's reputation is built not on press releases and twitter feeds, but product. Despite some folk not believing the car or the country it comes from is "real", both do exist. Germany & Croatia share the same longitude.

Pffft- 'well-funded? 13 years of no profits is poorly funded- that's negative income. Yes, selling cars now, but in the beginning; no. Financially Tesla is a house of cards- that may change, hopefully that will change very soon... but even the selling of the Model 3 in a 'mostly loaded' state of $24-49K does not bode well for making a profit at the 'bait' price of $35K. They need to curtail capital spending, their debt must be astronomical.

People have said that (and some still do) about Tesla. Rimac was founded in 2009- 8 years ago now. Rimac : "Almost all of the materials are produced in-house; no critical components are off-the-shelf." That's a world apart from most start-ups AND established OEMs.

Rimac is one of the few 'supercars' that has any sort of cohesive, sophisticated design, IMO. The "LaFerrari" is ridiculous; fans/company will likely say it's all functional/wind tunnel tuned but the video proves- it doesn't matter. Hope the Rimac gets more exposure- it seems largely unknown. However, it has set an EV hypercar performance bar that Mercedes has to contend with.

So it's only going to equal a 'car built in a shed'??

3/8 scale plaster model above, concept Tucker Torpedo circa 1947. Beneath is full-scale repro build, in progress, will be fully functional. Ida Auomotive, Morganville NJ

That's correct.

I'm definitely not anti-EV, but c'mon; this thing looks horrendous. However; I've got to give it to them; they figured out how to hide the door hinges, something the equally horrendous-looking benz-wagon has been unable to upgrade.

Every 'performance arm' doesn't HAVE to be branded with yet another letter of the alphabet, does it? Just so wretchedly conformist... and in an era of increasingly homogenized vehicles, one of the last chances to stand apart.

^ This must be an older one then. Unconventional to a degree in that the horizontal split isn't at the beltline, but halfway into the body. Saw a pic of a BMW (X5 I think) done the same way. Another option... tho the dual-action gate is still the most versatile.

WTF is an 'N'? Is this really what the industry has come to- MB has 'A', BMW has 'M', Cadillac has 'V', Jag has 'R' and hyindai has 'N'? And ocnblu is bemoaning homogenization? Already armpit deep in it, Bill.

^ since Day 1 : "Why buy a copy when you can buy the original"??

RWD sedans are also dying out, both in volume and in deference to AWD.

The '11 Liberty @ my house has it, but being frameless it 'feels' too prone to breakage to leave it up. Does Volvo still have that 2/3rds/ 1/3rd flip down 'gate'? Guy I know has what he calls his 'truck' (lol) but I don't know offhand what model or how old it is.

Having had a 2-way tailgate GM in the family growing up ('77 Pontiac Safari), they really were the best of both worlds, and so simple it's puzzling why almost no one offers that now. I also like the older tailgate split split where the top half opens up and the bottom drops- much easier to drive with the rear open if you need to, vs. a one-piece lift door.

Got it- '09-10 6-Series. Wow, that's a valuable beater worth more than the BMW behind it.

Not my pic, prolly some years old, but I'm a bit amazed. Anyone know the year/model of the car peeking in from the far right? I know I know it, but it's not coming to me quick. The reason I post this is; the car to the right dates this pic as relatively recent, and the finned machine is obviously a daily-ish driver. It's certainly unrestored. The significance? It's a top-line '58 DeSoto Adventurer, one of only 350 built. 2-dr hardtop or convert (only 82 of those built), packing a 345 HP 361 dual quad Hemi... and there it sits on a public street. A '58 has sold as high as $264K at auction, a '57 has cleared $340K.

Bugatti Chiron: 1480 HP, 0-97KPH: 2.4, 0-200 : 6.5, top speed 261 (limited). Rimac Concept One, 1224 HP, 0-100KPH: 2.4, 0-200 : 6.0, top speed 221 (limited).

You go into another's house and you respect that space & it's owner. Common decency. A country is no different. I say you did right by the situation, and also to expect more of this sort of thing in the future.

icy green '69-70 Eldorado, parked in driveway, very clean. Circa '75 Merc Marquis, red, worn but solid. These are ever bit as horrid stylistically as I remembered (haven't seen one of these in some time)- despite their awe-striking size. Took my buddy's '70 Catalina on a half mile trip down the road, loved driving it. Moved a 3rd generation Camaro around a lot, black, raggedy, one of those dumb-assed B&M ratchet shifters no one can figure out how to operate smoothly. So frustrating I think I could rip it out with my bare hands and throw it thru the windsheild and be happy about it.