balthazar

This, to me, is 'futuristic', and has great proportion/fluidity in the side view. Yikes, I actually LIKE it in profile. I would of course never own one, but it's not offensive in design. Obviously it's a concept car, and maybe that's exactly why it's so very slick. Honda Puyo: This is just 'not even trying' :

I had to google what a Kizashu looks like- too anonymous for me to say I've seen any.

Not a 'vette guy, but still : Random ~ > I like the way the headlamps are peeking out witohut the grilles/bumper. > I assume the 'factory way' for the hood hold-up is a prop rod? > What's missing from the rockers area- stainless trim?

Asked my 13-yr old son. Immediate first comment : "Eww." Me: "What's the matter with it?" Him "It's ugly." Me: "What don't you like about it?" Him: "I hate the way the roof rounds down into the front {instead of a 2-box design}, and just... no." I can see, perhaps, the elderly, who generally are less discriminative about what a vehicle 'says' about them possibly considering this... but I have to believe that this hot mess is lost on the entire youth demo (despite my uber-small sampling).

Asked my 16-yr old son to look at it. 'What do you think of this?' He looked, turned & walked out of the room. I pressed him; No; really.' He replied, with incredulity, 'Do you even have to ask??' I implored, 'Does it have ANY redeeming qualities?' His answer 'No one will ever steal it!'

Of course you favor it- it's not domestic; therefore it's +1, bold and futuristic... never awkward, ill-concieved or just plain stylistically ignorant. Almost forgot- never 'generic', either. Unfortunately, this is yet another entry in the burgeoning cesspool of insect-inspired, asian oddball school of design, along with other 'bold, futuristic' ugliness like the cube & juke. I'll peal the bell again here. With CAFE dictating nearly every design parameter.... in order to cater to the Pavlovian expectation of !NEW! hardwired by marketing into the subconsciousness of most every individual, the industry as a whole is forced to do SOMETHING as a gesture that 'things are moving forward', resulting in increasing examples of the awkward, the mis-proportioned, the ungainly and the non-aspirational. I have no doubt that cues from those 'frozen explosion' minivans so popular in Japan are on they're way here all too soon.

And there you have it.... a recent, highly-dubious trend has finally reached it's apparent climax : car headlights have been slowly sliming their way up the fenders like luminescent slugs, until FINALLY (YAY "progress"!!) they've broken into the windshield 'perimeter'. Absolutely stunning design work!

No problemo! 2-3 miles should be a cakewalk- musta missed that factoid earlier in the thread.

I am available for hire: DuraMax, 6-ton hitch, car trailer!

I was just in there with the boy last night. Store by us has always had very helpful, personable staff. Good luck!

"Fashion-Aire DynaStar grille" "Aire-Born B-58" V-12000 Engine"

Agreed WRT the EBTC- the roof treatment is NO substitute for a full brushed stainless top.

I would HOPE there's a way to deactivate "Press Brake pedal and Push Button to Start" - I don't need to read that every frickin time I insert a key... I, too would prefer no spoiler. Dash bezel has a carbon-fiber-esque pattern to it- might look pretty snazzy even if 'merely' plastic. Charger looks great so far...

They are more than decent, allow me to testify. Better than the rest and better than GTO buckets.

While possible; this car is tiny- would be FAR quicker/easier to start from scratch on the frame.

I LOVE P-64s; I should; I've owned 3 so far. And the GP is the most expressive of Pontiac's DNA when they were at the top of their game. This car, IMO, is completely worth the asking price. I would prefer Starlight Black and the big engine, but that aside I wouldn't change a thing. I am ready to sell mine and buy one done already.... except for the money part. 46 or so pics of automotive mastery: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Grand-Prix-SPORT-COUPE-1964-PONTIAC-GRAND-PRIX-SPORT-COUPE-ONLY-64-000-MILES-/390258895975?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item5add3e2c67#ht_40952wt_1167

Bortz is already on to the LaSalle II siblings (see thread in Cadillac forum). I'm so used to seeing pics of him from the '90s- he's looking quite a bit older now. B-J is a great choice- look at what the F-88 & the Bonneville Special did there ! Price is suprisingly low on the CdM, even with the economy. I have no idea of his investment into it... but I still think the main reason it was so relatively low is that this wasn't the original. Nomad vette has been seen in Warhoops at one point ('70s)... pretty sure I read the hardtop Motorama Corvette has been recovered recently. I saw pics on the net of it upside down in a storage warehouse. I for one would be FAR more interested in the Corvette Corvair than the Corvette Nomad- which has been re-created more than once at this point.

I LOVE the Cadillac Database- a fantastic, likely unmatched site. I surf thru there a bunch, and the Eldorados are a frequent lingering point. Ironically, there's a pic on there of a partial shot, and the caption asks if it's an Eldorado Brougham convertible. It isn't, but GM DID have an XP- program studying such a car. At this point I don't know if it was intended to be a 4-dr convert, but it's interesting all the same.

Yes- $100K plus fees. Interesting that the 3/8th car sold so close to the full-size one, but the 3/8th was an original 1956 GM piece, and at that time the F/S one wasn't done... AND the F/S one isn't the real thing. I had read that Martino always intended to sell it, so not sure that cost involved was an unintended motivator. GM's archives WRT the concept cars and the documentation they were scrapped has been documented to be unreliable. Too many that are 'officially destroyed' have survived, including multiple copies of concepts that 'officially' didn't exist. For many others, there is NO documentation as to what happened. Some have been documented to exist years & years after their service use was over, and they too slipped thru the cracks since. This repeatedly lends hope to those who dream of finding one (like me). The '54 Cutlass & '56 Golden Rocket have been rumored to be in Jersey, too.

>>"Oh I don't think I have any intention of purchasing it..."<< Don't you...? Don't you...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaJFnGGECJo

^ I missed the fact that this is in Canada, and that's a good point, Fapster. However, at this point in time Cadillacs were built in 1 factory only (Detroit) and the sole export model listed was still a Series 62 4-dr hardtop. Cadillac just wouldn't rename what was a Series 62 in the U.S. as a Fleetwood in Canada; not their SOP- I would require hard proof to the contrary to believe otherwise. And after 50 years, this certainly could be a U.S.-spec Sereies 62 C-58 that made it's way across the border. So you are probably correct in that the seller used the name as an advertising draw.

I LOVE '58s, passing a '58 Series 75 going to HS on the bus was one of the first vintage cars to suck me into the car hobby. But I find it strange the seller is calling it a Fleetwood; the Series 60 Specials had EXTENSIVE ornate trim : This isn't 'even' a Sedan de Ville, it's a Series 62 ('entry-level' Cad). Still a real nice car- just know what you're buying (and I hope you see clear to!).

^ It really is! Like it's from another manufacturer... or planet.

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