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Not NEARLY as quickly or vigorously as that era's hondas!

Same dash as in our ol' '77 Safari- I miss that car. Pontiac print ads ran hot-n-heavy for the whole line in this era. I remember the Bonne refresh in '80- a dark tangerine-esque color that was really fetching in print (I have a copy, but apparently it's not on the web anywhere)- if you could manage to find a steel-roof coupe with Snowflake rims, that was a sharp cruiser. If I had one, I'd have to slam a set of the T/A Turbine wheels on it. That, and a 455 underhood.

Got a real solid GT hatch for you down here in central Jersey, SS623!

See, if we were face to face I could grab you by the neck right about now! NOW how can you possibly compare cyber-text to actuality??

I knew a guy who had his early Vega well towards 1990, it was his only car. They're basically attractive, esp in the hatchback (sorry;..... the "3-door" ), but like it says above, beyond their application as race cars, there's not much love to go around.

'I'm pretty, that nails it.' <-- Oh look, another one. -- -- -- -- If you only knew how well you have proven my point.

enzl ->>"Ever think that this type of behavior frustrates guys like FlyBrian who just disappear one day? To me, that's glaring evidence that a general attitude problem spills over into other aspects of the site and rots it from within."<< Flybrian - 12-13-07>>"Toyota can bite my ass with their inferior, poor-running, unreliable, bland, useless abominations."<< Flybrian - 12-04-07>>"Unfortunate, because the ES is a disgusting car."<< Flybrian - 11-17-07>>"'Hyundai sucks' isn't bias; its fact, beeyotch."<< Um, yea. Thanks for straightening me out. No, I think it was another sort of rot altogether that might have prompted him to spend his time elsewhere....

>>"...after a while, you get to know someone like you would by any other means of communication."<< I agree, which is why I always carry a backpack of emoticon signs to explain to the guy standing in front of me what I mean.

>>"didn't your mother ever ask you about your friends jumping off bridges?"<< >>"You recommend Corollas to your grandmother"<< Are you currently drinking? >>"who cares what they say? It makes us look petty and bitter."<< Then it also makes them look petty & bitter. Maybe moreso, since it's arguably less 'legitimate'. Most GM fans get satisfaction over mishaps at toyo, most toyo fans get satisfaction over mishaps at GM. Meanwhile, you seems to be standing on the sidelines, pleading for everyone to just... hug. We here don't want to hug.

This is AFTER they announced they were pulling out of the U.S. market, correct? No doubt firesale pricing is in full effect, not to mention a 13% YTD increase over a few dozen vehicles... is not much.

Ugh, in the best state in the Union for fuel prices and I'm sitting on a quarter tank and looking at 3.99 diesel price at the cheapest station around. Talked to a guy with a beautiful brand new Sierra (crew cab 1500 4x4, black), said he had the 5.3 and tho he only gets around 14 around town, said he does a lot of highway driving out of state and gets 24-26 over the road (cylinder deactivation). That's fantastic for a full-size, 6-pass 4x4 truck.

I should be out in the shop hammering on the B-59, but my days are so sliced up I pop in here every evening in between doing other things... I don't really feel much in the way of personal connections- none of us are anymore than 2-D text on a screen here; that's not real in any sense of the word.

The humpers will never admit it, but the tundra is a prime example of 'too little, too late'... and we were all led to believe that stumble-footed short-sightedness was impossible from the Great Master. enzl ->>"Toyota will lose Billions and shrug it off--the glee with which the posters here attack them is astonishing..."<< 'Astonishing'?? How can you still not get why we come here ? You must read the toyota boards- plenty of high-fiving glee over there, too, much of it a lot more over-the-top/unrealistic than is ever posted here.

Govinda ~ Jai Uttal

So what do you think is possible: Moon colonization, or space station condos? Those 2 aside, space to me looks like going INTO the jar. You know what I mean- the next galaxy is completely out of reach, what space offers seems, conservatively, to be very little, esp compared to the billions involved. What are we possibly going to get out of the Mars rock samples... beyond a new chapter in geologist's textbooks? I'm all for optimism as long as it's tendered with reality (does that make me pessimistic?)

Well, yeah, but at least he acted instead of doing nothing.

I'd say he was rather effective. Constructive, now that's another matter. But no one can say he didn't 'grow a pair' in response to a situation he recognized.... EDIT: I have to say that overall I'm not in favor of space exploration because the ROI is so utterly dismal. I recognize the image contribution, but unless we were going manned to Mars or another rock, which is so scientifically & logistically formidable, I don't think even the ROI on anything like another jaunt to the moon compares to the '69-era trips' pep rally. I would immensely prefer actual ET contact, now that would truely be new and would certainly refocus the trivial. Or, more feasibly, increased Earth exploration, such as oceanic. Your energy point I can get behind.

Someone knew ahead of time...

Right- which is why I didn't mention them while asking for Ford's 2-dr competition to the GM-10 coupes.

>>"Regarding coupes...are you kidding? The Thunderbird and Cougar were some of the most popular and nicest-looking cars of the 1980s."<< But the T-bird/Cougar were about 20% higher in price, hence not in the same segment as the Taurus/Celebrity. They were also positioned differently, as personal lux coupes as opposed to 2-dr versions of 4-drs. The GM-10 coupe was certainly a nicer design than the Tempo, Ford's nearest (yet downmarket) 2-dr offering. RE design- sure, the Taurus trumped the GM-10s, but it also trumped everything else out there then.

I'll side with some of the opinions posted there: that these are at least 3 different junkyards in markedly different locations. The bottom shots certainly look like what I would think WY looks like, but the severly rusted shots in the woods looks just like Jersey/NE to this junkyard dog. Love the closely-grouped-by-marque pics: I'll take those 3 B-59s lined up nose-2-tail, please!

>>"In 1986, Ford brought out the award-winning, and critically-acclaimed, Taurus. Two years' later, we get three GM-10 coupes. We had to wait ANOTHER, what 3-4 years before we got a midsize 4-door sedan to compete with Taurus, Accord, and Camry?"<< So the Celebrity sedan (and it's siblings), out since well before '86, wasn't a mid-size 4-dr sedan? (BTW- available w/ a 4-spd auto!) Question might be better worded: where was Ford's competition in a 2-dr coupe?? >>"Doesn't change the fact that the best-selling car today is a 4-door sedan....and way back in 1988, GM decided to introduce three coupes......(WTF????)"<< You want to re-read your statement above ??

>>"Gas prices at the pump rose overnight to a record national average of $3.2272 a gallon, according to AAA and the Oil Price Information Service. That’s a tad higher than the previous record of $3.2265, set last May."<< What the flaming hell is this new &#036;h&#33;?? We already have to deal with the utterly unique (and assinine) instance of tenths of a penny at the pump, a holdover from the dawn of the industry, and now here's HUNDRETHS OF A PENNY !!!!!????!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! .2272 would round to .22 & 7/10ths, and .2265 rounds to.... .22 and 7/10ths. Friggin enough, already.

>>"Older BMW 3-Series cars with four-cylinder engines and manual transmissions get respectable mpgs. Even the six-cylinder models get mpgs that aren't too shabby. No, they're not soaring above 45 mpgs, but they do get around 25 mpg or better in mixed conditions."<< Early '50s Cadillacs were known to return into the low 20s MPG. They weren't as heavy as later '50s Caddys, what with the option list being comparitively small, but they were miles bigger & heavier than an old 3-series.

So if this is true, the G8 is going to suck the market out from the -what- 5-series, right? Much better value, almost as fast (faster??), but a lot cheaper, with much better styling. I guess we'll see....