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All Buicks get Bluetooth. It's available on LaCrosse, but standard on Lucerne.

Honestly, I doubt it; At least not available in the US. The Chinese version will most definitely off 4-cyl though. The compact Buick will more than likely offer the 4-cyl here in the US.

Buicks will not make people sea sick even in their softest sprung model. Most don't imitate marshmallows any more than Toyota, Honda, or Lexus. Buick's suspensions (at least for their touring and utility vehicles) have a controlled, smooth, and compliant ride that not intrusive. They're not race cars, but they're not intended to be. Park Avenue Ultra Regal GS LaCrosse CXS LaCrosse Super Lucerne CXS Lucerne Super Enclave Rendezvous Ultra Rainier

And... you're unopposed to woman treasure trail? Take sideburns with that?

You mean a la Lucerne Super right? :AH-HA_wink: Yep. It looks like a leather dash and very similar to the rendering put together by TED back several months ago. From what I can tell, there are two-tone leather seats also. Interior looks great. I like the wheels. I like the way the exhaust cuts up into the rear bumper. The proportions look good. I think I'm sold.

From what I have read elsewhere, the announcement only included the Quest & QX56. The strikethroughs are to fill in the gaps left out of the official Nissan announcement.

Yep! Yep! I have mine!

My favorite line though... So true... Then there's this one: QFT

16. There is a Braums in every town with a population of 1,000 or more.

Ugh! Missed that... Fixed. Sorry.

I stick to the terms of agreement. Always have. Always will. So no, I haven't cheated on anyone.

Exactly. It's a trim package of existing option/features on the Lucerne. The additional features and renewed V8 option on the CXL pretty much negates the CXS. The single chrome exhaust is because the one in the pic is a 6-cyl.

[sarcasm] I'm still not convinced we're looking at the Yukon Hybrid [/sarcasm]

I'd guess the reason CXS is still on Buick's website is because dealers have a decent amount of inventory to be sold. CXS was dropped on LaCrosse. It's easy tp assume the same will happen on Lucerne. The Enclave never had a CXS trim. Autodeadline has photos of the new CXL SE. I'll post a few:

Late to register. Seattle, WA (Bellevue, WA) here... but, like O.C., I'm a transplant. Born and raised in Dallas, TX. Moved to the Pac NW 7-8 years ago. Something funny about this area with too much truth to it... How to know you're from the Pacific Northwest

FTW = For The Win :AH-HA_wink:

What a mistake indeed. There are significant differences between the Series I and II. Also, check out the emissions between them. The Series III is classified as SULEV.

You're an idiot. The 3800 is on its series III and the NS V8 was revamped within the past few years.

Hmmm... But I did want to compare them... My point is Chrysler and Buick can not be compared to each other, at least not at the moment. So many people on Cheers&Gears want to rush in on a topic that's discussing a non-GM company or brand and say the now cliché phrase "Sure it's bad at 'company X' but it's just as bad or worse at GM." That's just not the case at GM or at Buick when discussing Chrysler's situation, sales, or tactics. How is Buick "faltering" badly? Buick's Average buyer's age has dropped into the 50's. Sales totals? Buick is no longer a volume brand like Chrysler currently is. Buick is a niche brand with success not based on volume but on image and transaction price. Besides, Buick has three vehicles compared to 5/6 last year. The Enclave is performing fantastically. The LaCrosse will be replaced in months. The weakest link is the Lucerne which is performing well against its direct competitor Avalon, while wiping the floor with the wonderful two-punch Hyundai Azera and Kia Amanti. Dropping the 'CXS' and adding 'Super' and the 'CXL SE' should help increase sales of Lucerne in 2008/2009. Mentioning sales expectations, the new Invicta (LaCrosse replacement) will have an annual sales target between 65,000 & 75,000. This is lower than the Lucerne or LaCrosse's expectations when they originally debuted. GM just isn't pushing Buick for volume. Another factor is that China's success is allowing Buick to drop sales and reduce sales incentives while it continues to transition back into the near/mid-luxury market. Where is Chrysler's backup and international support? North America is pretty much all that Chrysler has until they're sold again. How about just addressing Chrysler for Chrysler instead of deflecting a legitimate comment at Chrysler towards GM.

Whew! Thank you Griffon! So this will be around for about two years, then the compact under consideration for both the US & Chinese markets will debut. I can live with that. I admit the 2009 Excelle has upscale characteristics with the facelift: rear parking censors, LED tail lamps, possible Xenon headlamps, attractive (for a mainstream compact) interior. The Delta II needs to aspire higher than the mainstream compact market though. It needs to be comparable to a Volvo S40 or Acura TSX. It looks like that's the direction their headed with the facelift. I'm looking forward the what they come up with. So, based on Griffon's timeline, the Delta II Buick Skylark compact will arrive in time for the Lucerne to go out of production... by 2011, Buick's US line-up could be: near-luxury Skylark compact sedan luxury Invicta midsize sedan luxury Enclave CUV sedan - with the potential of an alpha-based Regal sedan and/or a Riviera coupe (Delta II or EPII based). I say Riviera could be Delta II because the Volt will use Delta II. I believe a "Riviera coupe" would be perfect as Buick's luxury Hybrid version of the Volt.

Numbers are numbers as long as they suit your point... if it were reversed you'd be the first to point out fleet and dismiss sales immediately. Any opinion on Impala sales? There have been numerous topics in the past that point out Chrysler Fleets heavily... more so than Buick. Here's one discussing the first 6 months of 2007... Here's one elaboratingon the same topic Even though we know both manufacturers are attempting to decrease fleet sales, we don't have current stats. Buick: LaCrosse: 3,080 – 29% fleet – 2187 retail Lucerne: 4,699 – 13% fleet – 4088 retail Total estimated retail: 4088 retail Chrysler: 300: 7,995 – 44% - 4477 retail Chrysler comes out ahead, but that wasn't my point. Chrysler fleets far more than Buick, deluting the brand and tarnishing its image. The significance of the two are different as well. The 300 is the top of the line sedan available at Chrysler LLC. That's not the case for Buick sedans at GM. What else is there if the 300 is a fleet queen? LaCrosse will be replaced in a matter of months and Lucerne is on life support until the new sedans come out. However, GM isn't whoring Buick out in the mean time like Hyundai and Chrysler. The ship may sail when the 300 dies.

Griffon! Can you comment on this please?

Leave Buick out of this tit-for-tat. Buick doesn't fleet anywhere near as bad as Chrysler does.