Z-06

1. 0 2. 0 (Except may be if ZL-1 buys one for me along with his )

It is a good looking evolutionary design. Good with 390 hp. It seems to be the peak of the horsepower war.

Chevy Hammered??

Linkity for Pure Sex

Tell him to jump the gun and get it. He will not be disappointed. Kawi Ninja ZX10 or Suzuki Gixxer 1000, heck I have heard even the Honda CBR 1000 is a very good bike.

Or is it because he saw Wagoner with Obama?

I agree. One car and motorcycle is a way to go. Even a Liter bike gets about 45 mpg city and plus fun to drive than the 9,999 POS. Why is that small, cheap, efficient cars that are fun, full of ammenities and exciting mutually exclusive? So they said last year and year before last. So as long it rains as it has rained consistently in southeast for past couple of weeks, the GoM will stay cool for hurricanes to lay low.

Dodge Ram, Chevy Silverado, GMC Sierra, Ford F = Alpha Male Toyota Turdra = Transexual

Fluctuation does not mean that it is not overvalued. It is a known fact that Japan invests heavily in T-Bonds to keep their currency undervalued. Here is the Annual Report for 2006, I fail to see seperate balance sheets for Vauxhall and Opels, please educate me where can I see the wholly-owned operations on GM's balance sheet. There is not even mention of these brands under Goodwill, saying how much those particular brands are worth. Why there is no Revenue sheet on Opel/ Vauxhall website showing their own numbers? Revenues are divided into regions and they consist of Americas, Africa/ Mid East/ Asia Pacific and Europe. It seems like you are talking about GM of 2000. The last time seperate revenues were noted by Vauxall was in 2004. Here are quotes from SEC filing: Read them carefully OK here is an example of Tarrifs outside the auto industry. Cotton has tarrifs in the US to protect the American cotton manufacturer. For years outsiders especially Africa has been clamoring to remove those duties, (read Economist). According to your theory, Africans do not have to do that as it is part and parcel of their business, and hence should compete no matter what, don't they? Do you have market research to prove that Americans will pay X% extra to to find a reliable appliance? Who is asking to slap import duties on vehicles coming into United States? All we are saying is that in Free Trade, it should be give and take not only give. If American market is open for car manufacturers from Japan, so should be Japan. What would be my incentive to build a product to suit your requirement if your country already puts a burden on my head? I would rather satisfy my own country's need. Regardless of how crappy they are, GM is making an effort into the Asian, Russian markets to get a stronghold, why is it not in Japan? Why is not Peugeot trying to target Japanese customer for a mass produced 207? You answered your own question here. You say that 1 Regardless of the price customers are intelligent enough to put faith in a good product. 2 Americans lack ability of making good small cars. 3 Europeans certainly build good small cars. First and Second points put American cars out of the picture to feature in Japanese top 10. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to come to that conclusion, based on your surmises. But is it not surprising to have not even a single European small car in Japanese top 10? Don't tell me that Japan makes too good to products compared to Europeans. Because if they do it just shows your European products are inferior or Europeans are dumb since they do not buy highly qualified Japanese Products. The last time I read (2006), Toyota is not even in the top 10 of Europe, hmm wonder why? Don't you think some thing does not make sense with respect to this descripancy? American manufactured cars bombing in both markets makes sense, according to your second surmise. But come on, not even one highclass Euro small car in Japan top 10? Please read the forums, this is what we have always talked about and now your are cirumventing to this point. One of Gamma II/ Delta II is supposed to be produced in Lordstown Ohio. Jim Taylor, president Cadillac best summed it. We have created a CTS that is a true world luxury car, and it is. We are going out of bounds to make sure that we offer a superior product. We overhauled our dealership base, reached the consumer to know what they are looking for, and put our advertising targets different in markets. But European market is difficult to crack, because it is a closed market. People buying there know for a fact for every non European product they buy there will be someone in Europe loosing a job. So despite being a superior product, they will not embrace it whole heartedly. That gives an answer for why Japanese cars do not make the top 10 in Europe. Unfortunately Americans lack this mentality. For every one stuff they buy in Wal Mart because it is cheap, there is one distant cousin of ours in Alabama who has lost the Job to a person in Wengfu province of China. Yes Japanese companies manufactured vehicles in US and added 5,000 jobs in 2006, making a notion of creating jobs. But Detroit lost 90,000 in the same time, which means there is a deficit, or those people got crunched at the rate of 1:18 to fill the 5,000 jobs. Yes GM provides labor to Europe and it benefits Europe. Yet when GM is staring in the barrels they are trying to trim 10% of their work force. This still does not put out the fact that Japanese market is closed and those tarrifs are meant to prevent any product stealing their jobs.

That is your perception.

I am gonna get one with Turbo and then I will race with your "inferior" SC on the potholed Gratiot avenue. Unless you Turbo the motor just like you mentioned, in your wet dreams.

But the problem is that dollar is not weak against the yen. Subsidiaries are the sole purpose of a global company to penetrate into markets which otherwise will not be gotten into by the main company. GM as such is striving to be one, so it does not matter if Chevrolet or Opel enters Japanese markets. Dollars for development of either come from one Global GM. Sure there are tarrifs levied by Europe, but the last time I checked, they were less than those levied by the Japanese. There is a difference between selling heavily taxed small number cars to rich buyers, who either way do not care about those; to that of smaller vanilla vehicles where quantity drives the revenue. The fact that Europeans and Koreans who do make cars that can be sold in Japan did not make into the top 10 selling vehicles in Japan tells you something about how "open" their market is. Why should Americans rely on itself to produce smaller cars, when their subsidiaries are doing the work? Designing and developing multiple products and platforms at varied locations is how GM lost money, and doing that again is like repeating the mistakes. The answer is global GM, do not look GM as Vauxhall, Opel, Pontiac or Chevy. Look at it as one place where revenue is sent to different places which hold expertise in different car classes, markets, economies to build vehicles that will cater them yet have the same basic fundamentals.

Hummer H3 will do better if it looses 4-500 lbs and $4-5K.

They have gotten the perception of being cheap and "reliable". And Corolla is fleeted into Avis, Enterprise, and Hertz.

Yes they do. But not without "taxes" unlike here where there are no taxes levied for import vehicles. Neither can a foreign company buy majority stakes into a company incorporated in Japan, and nor can a foreign company build a plant in Japan for manufacturing. In broader sense yes they are open to market but with those caveats.

There is difference between trouncing a competition in a fair game vs. punching out the competition with jury on their side and opponents' hands tied. How can someone say that Toyota and Japan are playing it fare? When, a) Japan does not have market open for foreigners like we do. b) Getting under table support for their agendas and researches. c) Copying technology and other components as much as they can. I agree with siegen that Honda and Toy should not be lumped in the same banner. If Toy was technology genious then they should have slaughtered their competition away in F1 races, the last I know they are yet to finish first after 107 races. Honda's technology is good. The Hondajet is pinnacle of how they have utilized their tech resources. Toy's strong point is production, marketing and that is it. That is what drives the market. No one here denies the fact that Detroit lost it in 80's because of many reasons. But that is only one side of the coin. No person who is familiar with this topic can deny that Toyota has got a free pass with their acts in this country. That is where the 2007 Union deal came into picture. And like some others have posted, the overheads can be reduced if government supports their healthcare and takes some of its responsibilities. GM will not have to spend $51 billion to create VEBA if Washington can call for a government funded health care system. That money can be used wisely for other developments. If you look at the Cobalt, at that price it is almost as loaded to a more expensive Civic or Corolla if not more. Small equates to cheap is not only for GM cars. It is in general a perception for all the small cars being sold here. That is part of the reason why Audi A3 has not been a stellar success here. Other than few soft spot vehicles like Golf (nee Rabbit), we will not see any time soon whole hearted acceptance to smaller vehicles that are loaded, and priced $3-4 G lower than their bigger siblings. That is capitalism, if Tata come tomorrow to compete, it will target US market the same way.

No when it comes to engines, Honda engines are high profit margin components. Porsche is the high profit margin automobile manufacturer.

Sure it will. Crapmunds "editors" do not know how to extract performance from a car, unless it is their beloved humping machines.

Don't burn the rubber tomorrow after the egg-jams. Happy birthday.

That Banana could have been bigger.

This vehicle is perfect without the spoiler. I want to be a boy-racer again. Screw the quality which Edmunds harps about. The interior is not as depressing about the tactile feel of being "cheap", exterior is everybody's personal taste. It is no where near unintegrated like the Cavalier though to which they compare. I hope GM(E) does not add 200-300 lb to Delta II to make it have more "European" feel like the Vue. Cobalts do have some cult, race following. Ecotec is one hell of an engine.

Come on you know you love Bugs Bunny edition G6, don't you? What I do not understand is, how in the blooming world did Bob Lutz accept this design? Unless, it got approved by middlemen when he was flying his fighter jet.

True that. I was talking about the previous gen. I think they will stick with the name, unless griffon knows something different.

I think the Lacetti is based on the Delta platform. How many HP does the 1.6L ET III engine produce?

Well the designer is from Audi and yet he cannot be original.