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So MKS sells half what the Continental did. Chrysler killed the FWD big sedans and went to RWD. LeSabre in 2000 sold 148,000 units. Park Avenue 48,000 Deville sold 105,000 Seville/Eldorado/Aurora combined for 71,000 Bonneville 66,000 Together that is 438,000 large FWD cars of about 200 inches in length. In 2011, the LaCrosse, Lucerne and DTS have combined for 74,000 sales, on pace for 98,600 for the full year. 438,000 cars to 98,000 cars in 11 years. Full size FWD luxury or near luxury is dying. Cadillac should be putting every dollar into rear wheel drive, a new V8, a new transmission, and fuel saving measures. Again, 7 cars in 2000 with no replacements, or updates in 2010, which includes killing of two brands. Only two cars are soldiering on. So 440,000 x2/7 ~ 125,000 cars add to that depressed auto sales as industry is down to 12M units compared to 15M in 2000, which brings the annual sales to 100,000. I think demand for those cars are on track for the supply. It is too simplistic, I know, but again your theory does not disprove this phenomenon that the supply is diminishing or dead. You may very well be taking cause for the result.

It is still a cheaper car, and the A8 is a sales dog. Compare retail XTS sales vs retail E-class or 5-series, at least they are at the same price point. It wouldn't surprise me if the XTS sells 3,000 cars a month, especially while new with a lot of marketing and picking up lost Town Car sales in the livery market. There is still a segment of older buyers that like a big, soft Cadillac, but I see this car at the end of its life cycle back down around 1000 cars a month like the DTS and MKS are at now. And probably another one and done GM car like the Cobalt, Lucerne, most Saturns, etc. Okay fair, let us play your game and compare the Equus sales to the E class and Genesis sedan to the CTS, 3er and C class since they play in the same pool price wise. Again you did not prove your point that the market demand is diminishing or dead for those vehicles. You just supported the point that it is the lack of up-to-date supply of large cars that is reason why the people are not buying those vehicles.

The XTS will because it will cost less. If the XTS was $75,000 base price I think it may be a different story. Plus the XTS will have fleet and livery sales. So yes the XTS will have volume, but how profitable is a car like that, compared to a high end RWD car that can command a price premium. No you cannot use the tone MB sells more S classes than A8 despite of being costly and then turn 180 and use the rhetoric XTS will be cheaper than A8 hence sell well. Guess what LS outsold MB and vice a versa over the past few years despite significant price difference. What explanation you have sonny boy. Well in 2000, there was the Seville, Eldorado, Deville, Aurora, Park Avenue, Continental as FWD luxury sedans over 200 inches long. Plus the Bonneville, Lesabre and 300M/LHS just below that. 10 name plates and some of those were big sellers. Come 2012 and there will be LaCrosse (197 inch long), XTS, and MKS. In 2000 Lincoln sold 22,000 Continentals, they have sold 8,800 MKS so far in 9 months this year, same size car and price point. Again only half the numbers; you left LaCrosse/Lucerne numbers skillfully out because it did not prove your theory. Prove that it was not the case that the supply diminished rather than the demand due to underwhelming products, lack of any updates, killing of brands/products, which led to the demise of the segment.

And that is precisely the point of the car. Everyone knows it is a filler vehicle. Again what are you trying to prove. Conceptually I am against the car, but if it brings the bread and butter from the blue haired so be it. Prove to me that the segment is dying. If Ciel is any indication, then Cadillac is far from done and becoming ho-hum as the grimace you try to put in every post.

If a redneck supervisor working in mines knows and testdrives one, then a "well educated" person living in the city should. If Rome was not built in a day then the Rome of Cadillac that got destroyed in the 80s and 90s can't be built in a day either. If enticing blue haired people works for Buick then it should work for Cadillac too because it also has the euphoria of the past from the same subset of buyers. Ask Oldsmoboi's grandmother how much was the 7er a buy for luxury rather than capability of throwing around the corners. Cadillac does not have anything there and like you said Rome was not built in a day. Again you envision to look forward but keep harping back in the 80s and 90s - a strategy that has never left your sheath. Bring something new to the table man.

Too staged to be a spy video. What camera did you shoot with?

Honestly this SUV should go to the GMC and be a direct competitor to the Jeep GC. It can get butch-ified with GMC grille job and let it have the veritable 3.6 DI with the Gen V small block + LS/A V8 to go against the SRT. As much as I like Jeep it hurts me to see GM not in the segment.

Are you talking about "rev matching"?

Done.

Even with IE it is giving me the same message.

My watch does not sync to the atomic time in my new apartment. Gosh I live in the boonies.

Tata and Geely

Possibly the best approach considering you can now be your own bitch and create your own brand name. Eight years experience, wealth of knowledge and plethora of acquaintances you have will only help you for your solo gig.

Something for you for your birthday. HB

It seems people here may have forgotten of Mylink for Chevy and Intellink for Buick GMC. Cadillac gets a CUE. So no GM will not be recycling the Cadillac system into lesser vehicles.

Come on old man, (Balth) go for a get together.

Put it in the bed of your Silverado take it to your vacation and use it as a put-put car.

E-46 - The last bastion of pure BMW DNA. You cannot do anything wrong there.

Global engine development means coming here is a possibility for the truck, but I doubt it for the full size.

^ Autotrajic is coming in Spring 2012.

See whether this link is helpful. The website claims that most pedal cars were from one "basic" platform and then modified.

Yes BMW comes with 48months/50,000 miles free maintenance. But so do the Cadillacs, at least the 2011 did - I do not know whether the offer was extended into 2012.

I modified the thread title!