Flybrian

God help me, but I have no problem with a well-executed Buick minivan. Terrazas seem to do very well around here and look mighty sharp if I may say so.

Heh, no. I just found it. Here's it again twice as big and without color. Hope this helps...

Welcome to the late-80s, Chrysler.

I wouldn't want to pick up a girl on her period either. Yeesh.

Reg, I love you.

That's very surprising how low the fleet count in on both of them. Even in rental-heavy Florida, I see far more retail Lucernes and DTSs. When picking up my Enterprise Ram last week, I spoke to the Enterprise guy and he told me they're getting heavy allocations of intermediate/midsize cars as opposed to large cars and even compacts. Also, more crossovers (Freestyle, Murano, Highlander) than usual.

If it carries Airflite rather than 300 styling, I agree.

Welcome, Christy! Sounds like a real unique birthday present for a real Olds enthusiast! I assume you mean the badge that looks like...? If so, here's a digital recreation of it, which seems easier to transfer onto a car than the very ornate original. Hope this helps. What kind of car is it, by the way? Show us pictures if you can and welcome to C&G!

I'd rename the Astra/O4 as Alero, wait for an Epsilon II for the next Intrigue, and of course, a Zeta Aurora. I'd also switch the Expression/Recon nameplates because the Expression was a large wagon concept while the Recon was the small crossover...but that's me being picky.

More or less, yeah. That's one aspect of Lutz I find deplorable - the decontenting.

And the winners are... 1st - Dodgefan (51pts) 2nd - Tonsil (40pts) 3rd - Dodgefan (20pts) 4th - GMan (19pts) 5th – American_Revolution_2005 (14pts) 6th – Burns (11pts) 7th – Burns (10pts) 8th – American_Revolution_2005 (7pts) 9th – NOS2006 (6pts) 10th – American_Revolution_2005 (5pts) 11th – Burns (3pts) 12th – 04MonteIntimidator (2pts) 13th – American_Revolution_2005 (1pt) 14th(t) – American_Revoulution_2005, AShinyObject, ModelCitizen Congratulations to all and thank you to all who entered. I hope everyone (and more) will get some entries in for the 2009 Chevrolet Impala competition running now! The 1st-place winner receives a GM-related prize as well as having their concept featured on the Cheers and Gears homepage. Congrats and thanks again!

The torque argument makes sense by itself (yes, you'd want more torque for the extra weight), but in the overall picture, its stupid... Why not use the 3.6l? It gets 250hp Why not use the 3.5l? It gets 224hp on the Aura Hell, use the 3800...at least it gets good mileage/emissions As is, wtf, Pontiac?

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And the winners are... 1st place - Decka - 29pts 2nd place - ToniCipriani - 26pts 3rd place – Bimmer325 – 18pts 4th place – STLCadet – 13pts 5th place – Ted – 11pts {t} 5th place – NOS – 11pts {t} 5th place – Northstar -11pts {t} 6th place – Ravenfreak13 – 9pts (t) 6th place – MRDETROITMETAL – 9pts (t) 7th place – Camaroman22 – 7pts 8th place – Wildmanjoe – 6pts Congratulations to Decka for winning this competition and to all the entrants, thank you for your whacky submissions! We look forward to seeing you all next go around! Our current competition calls for your take on the 2009 Chevrolet Impala. Let’s see your ideas! P.S. Don't forget to browse the C&G Design Showcase to see all of our recent winners. You can be featured here, too!

Don't redux those lame commercials. The Fit is overpriced by at least a grand.

I know. Just making a joke. I agree about Toyota's 1.8l. Its lousy on pretty much all fronts and not even all that smooth versus an Ecotec.

NOS owns a 3800 V6 Camaro.

So what? You beat NOS. Feel good about yourself?

Did you ever know that you're my hero? You're everything I would like to be... You can fly higher than an eagle Walt, you are the wind beneath my wings. We'll pick you up in this at 8:00PM. HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Hence hybrid buses, too. Actually, many regular internal combustion cars are classified as ULEV and SULEV. Here's a list of what GM makes that earns ULEV/SULEV ratings... Economy & Efficiency Guide Interestingly, that crappy old 3800 Series II was the first production V6 to be rated ULEV back in 2000 while the 3800 Series III was the first V6 to carry an SULEV rating. :AH-HA_wink:

There is also the point that emissions have decreased dramatically over the past 30 or so years to the point where I feel there's a more credible danger from small, unsmogged engines like power equipment than automobiles.

That's an extrodinarily poignent comment. We stand currently at the mercy of massive price fluctuations because gasoline holds a virtual monopoly on the automobile fuel market.

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